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    Default Poker Tracer Analysis

    I have now entered data from over 11k hands played at NL .5/1 and 1/2 into Poker Tracker.

    I wondered what to make of some of these stats:

    VP$IP = 13.48% - This seems crazily tight to me!
    PF Raise 7.24% - I guess it is good to be raising half the pots I enter.

    Folded BB to Steal - 74.53%
    Attempted Blind Steal - 30.53%

    Aggresion factor:
    PF - 1.01
    Flop - 3.76
    Turn - 2.28
    River - 2.21
    Total - 1.51

    Folded to River bet - 63.04% - too high?

    Win rate is 3BB/100 hands, which I know is at the lower end of the profitable spectrum, but which I am very happy with at this stage.

    And please don't use this information against me if we meet at the tables ;-)

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    def too high on the river folds and you should prob loosen up a bit preflop. The two combined will let peeps walk all over you.
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    A little too tight preflop ( around 15-20% VPIP is good - as high as 25% if your confident in your postflop skill ) You should be raising more of the pots you are entering with that kind of VPIP though, but this maybe be due to blinds? what happens when you remove the blinds from the stats?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gryff
    A little too tight preflop ( around 15-20% VPIP is good - as high as 25% if your confident in your postflop skill ) You should be raising more of the pots you are entering with that kind of VPIP though, but this maybe be due to blinds? what happens when you remove the blinds from the stats?
    this is why you shouldn't just repeat information you've heard or read without comprehending the topic, you'll end up looking like a fool

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    Quote Originally Posted by slp
    this is why you shouldn't just repeat information you've heard or read without comprehending the topic, you'll end up looking like a fool
    Maybe you should back up your posts with information instead of posting like a donk.
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    No need to flame either of you.

    If you dont have PT, then you wont know about it slp. The preflop v$ip numbers discussed in the forums and gerally recognizable betw 15-23% are the same number hes quoting. You v$ip is low.
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    I dunno... in NL against weak opposition I don't know if it's really all that profitable to be playing marginal hands. You're definantly being too tight on raises though... if you're playing that few hands they should virtually ALL be for raises! Only limp with suited connectors and lowish pairs... and even those are often raising hands in unopened pots in late position.

    Very aggressive on the flop! I like a ton of aggression here, especially since you will usually have the best hand playing that tight. But if you're that aggressive then you definantly shouldn't be folding that often on the river... if you have nothing and get played back at lay it down early, if you have something strong go all the way with it. That number tells me that you're chasing with a lot of weak draws and marginal made hands.

    What's your win at showdown rate? It would seem like you would want it to be very high (which I'm guessing it is with all the river folds) ... but too high means both that you're not bluffing enough and you're not calling down enough with marginal hands... consider the odds of your hand being good and look at the pot odds, it's often profitable to call a medium sized bet even if you only think you have a 1/5 chance of winning!
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    My win showdown rate is 51.7%. Unbelievably though my win rate if I have just called a river bet is 100%!

    I think a lot of my river folds tend to happen like this:

    I raise with a hand like AK/AQ, opponent checks to me on flop and I make a continuation bet. Opponent checks to me on turn and I check. Opponent bets on river, I fold.

    I often think that my opponent is most likely playing a pocket pair and so if I have AK and neither an A or K hits then I will usually fold to a river bet.

    It's equally likely my opponent thinks when I fail to bet turn, oh he looks weak, probably has AK so I can push him off with a river bet.

    I think your right though, maybe when the pot odds are around 6-1, I should start calling a few more.

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    Hmm...

    PokerTrackers a limit tool.. at around $1/2 its not really that helpful - the tables don't go to showdown that often and many hands are won preflop which reduces you VPIP.

    Ppl confuse LIMIT vpip with NL vpip. To give you an example

    In Limit: you get AA. You bet and rerasie like a maniac on every street. Your VPIP is easily 6 or 7 for a typical hand

    In NL you get AA at You either push or escalate preflop VPIP for AA= 1 or 2 BUT you have just pushed in maybe 10x the actual bet you have in limit.

    Same applies to KK.

    NL is about the managment of rare events- Pokertracker works well on LIMIT because the events are distributed on all streets.

    You VPIP is in an OK range.. probably - rather shockingly - a little loose depending on what size stack you play with.

    It is helpful to look at your position results - you should be beating the blinds in late postion - i.e the amount of money you lose on the blinds should at least equal the amount you make in the last two three positions. This is the major leak for most ppl.
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    Deme,

    I have only just started using PT and have yet to read the guide, however I thought the VP$IP was based on preflop only?

    If you feel PT is not that useful for NL analysis, are there any other packages you would recommend which are better? I may have a look into them.

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