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    River Rat Cpt. Bloodclot's Avatar
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    Default Should this have been played differently?

    $100 MTT, 80 left out of 300, i'm 45th, with less than average stack. Play is pretty tight.

    Game #1364264604: Hold'em NL (150/300) - 2006/01/11 - 21:45:14 (UK)
    Table "£15K_WED 1672598 - 2" Seat 4 is the button.
    Seat 1: frede80 (6390 in chips)
    Seat 2: Champ100 (1705 in chips)
    Seat 3: DAVE.R (10608 in chips)
    Seat 4: BigChris (10835 in chips)
    Seat 5: Kathlyn (13660 in chips)
    Seat 6: WChief (3260 in chips)
    Seat 7: Madlive (8238 in chips)
    Seat 8: Registrar (2545 in chips)
    Seat 9: Bloodclot (4770 in chips)
    Seat 10: Bayman (3505 in chips)
    Kathlyn: posts small blind 150
    WChief: posts big blind 300
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Bloodclot [ ]
    Madlive: calls 300
    Registrar: folds
    Bloodclot: raises to 900
    Bayman: folds
    frede80: calls 900
    Champ100: folds
    DAVE.R: folds
    BigChris: folds
    Kathlyn: folds
    WChief: folds
    Madlive: calls 600
    ----- FLOP ----- [ ]
    Madlive: checks
    Bloodclot: bets 1870
    frede80: folds
    Madlive: calls 1870
    ----- TURN ----- []
    Madlive: checks
    Bloodclot: bets 2000 and is all-in
    Madlive: calls 2000
    ----- RIVER ----- []
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    Bloodclot: shows [ ] (Two Pairs, Aces and Queens, Eight high)
    Madlive: shows [ ] (A Flush, Queen high)
    Madlive collects 10890 from Main pot

    I held back in my betting because I wanted callers, should I have gone all in on the flop/ raised more preflop?
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    I think your bet PF was average. You got 2 callers, and that is fine. I would not have checked on the Flop. I would have bet half pot. That would have drove frede80 out anyway. You were taking a huge chance to check twice with him betting that big.

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    so, the pot was 3k on the flop, I think your bet is a little small, 2k would be better as you are giving him almost 4:1 in implied odds to call with your 1870 bet. But your stack is only 3870. So a push isn't bad, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkyDoggy
    I think your bet PF was average. You got 2 callers, and that is fine. I would not have checked on the Flop. I would have bet half pot. That would have drove frede80 out anyway. You were taking a huge chance to check twice with him betting that big.

    He didnt check it, and he bet just a little over half the pot.

    Bloodclot: bets 1870

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    He didnt check it, and he bet just a little over half the pot.
    My mistake I looked at it wrong! Yes, now I that I can see and read again, I think that you did pretty much exactly what I would have done.
    Last edited by DrunkyDoggy; 01-11-2006 at 02:03 PM.

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    It's always tough getting pocket aces busted. I've been playing more SnG tourneys lately and have come up with a tactic for pocket AA, KK & QQ from an early position.

    If I'm first in, I'll go 3 BBs but if I have a limper I raise it to 5BB (4x his limp)and if I have a raiser before me, I'll double or triple his raise. Logic being, I probably have the best hand pf and don't want drawing hands coming in once they have already committed so I hoping they'll fold pf. I'd welcome comments on this tactic - am I scaring too many hands away or playing too aggressive and not getting bigger pots by going to the flop?

    I know a lot of players will limp AA from the early position hoping to trap but I've never really favoured this tactic - it fails to protect a strong but vunerable hand and doesn't build a profitable pot. Also, certain players who limp-raise are auto-matic folds for me as I know they were trapping with AA or KK so I will alway raise someting - just depends on how much each time. Of course this isn't a frequent occurance - wished it were!

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    pf? raise it up more than 3bb. flop i guess you know your good, but id bet pot. turn, no need to think they have QQ etc.. so bet pot again.
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    if your gonna bet the post you may as well push.

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    I wouldnt be intentionally scaring hands away with AA but thats just me. Youre supposed to win with it.
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    I was a little concern about rising more than x3. Three of the last five times i'd put in a 3xBB raise everyone had folded, although that was without any limpers. If i had KK i probably would have gone to x4 or more. Just got greedy i suppose, but i needed the chips. If people want to call with J6s, I shouldn't really try to stop them.

    With the straight and flush draw I probably should have gone all-in on the flop. In retrospect there wasn't much point keeping chips back, as there was anything that could fall on the turn that would make me fold. I could have bet more than pot on the flop, rather than half, and less than half again on turn. He might have called, its hard to predict people who limp UTG with J6s. I just checked, he came 4th in the end for $2250, so he probably wasn't completely stuipid.
    I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? for he wants to perish.

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