was this hand played right?

**umich guy** · 11-01-2004

PokerStars Game #820064499: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2004/11/01 - 23:05:06 (ET)
Table 'Sorga' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: vandyflush ($32.05 in chips)
Seat 2: ymmitsparty ($20.70 in chips)
Seat 3: Blondie__522 ($31.10 in chips)
Seat 4: Intimedator ($47.60 in chips)
Seat 6: ugadawg520 ($60.55 in chips)
Seat 7: umich guy ($48.75 in chips)
Seat 8: BaGrelm ($47.40 in chips)
Seat 9: pdxmike ($40 in chips)
ymmitsparty: posts small blind $0.25
Blondie__522: posts big blind $0.50
all4smiles: sits out
ymmitsparty said, "nuts"
pdxmike: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to umich guy [4h 4s]
Intimedator: calls $0.50
ugadawg520: calls $0.50
umich guy: calls $0.50
BaGrelm: calls $0.50
pdxmike: checks
vandyflush: folds
ymmitsparty: calls $0.25
Blondie__522: checks
*** FLOP *** [3h 2s 4d]
ymmitsparty: checks
Blondie__522: checks
Intimedator: bets $1
ugadawg520: folds
umich guy: calls $1
BaGrelm: calls $1
pdxmike: folds
ymmitsparty: calls $1
Blondie__522: folds
*** TURN *** [3h 2s 4d] [2c]
ymmitsparty: checks
Intimedator: bets $3
umich guy: calls $3
BaGrelm: calls $3
ymmitsparty: folds
*** RIVER *** [3h 2s 4d 2c] [5h]
Intimedator: bets $5
umich guy: raises $10 to $15
BaGrelm: raises $14.50 to $29.50
Intimedator: raises $13.60 to $43.10 and is all-in
umich guy: raises $1.15 to $44.25 and is all-in
BaGrelm: calls $13.40 and is all-in

**eclinchy** · 11-01-2004

I would have raised on the turn. Not a whole lot, you want to keep him in, but you want to bet your full house for value.

**umich guy** · 11-01-2004

should i have assumed someone had pocket 5s?

**NoManner** · 11-01-2004

why raise the turn? you've got the BIG full house, you need to bet the flop to protect your hand but you're almost deadset to win the pot once the turn card comes down. I think you played it really well. I notice a theme in the histories you post - you slow play everything. I'd advise you to start betting on dangerous flops to protect your hand. Even though this isn't that dangerous of a flop, I'd still bet out. When the turn comes, you have the best hand and you want to disguise it and let draws catch whatever they're looking for.

**Marm** · 11-01-2004

At Worst you can only be afraid of 2 outs, to pair up a bigger PP, or the third 3, quad 2's (three on board or already made quads). Unless theres quads already on board, each other player has a best a 4% chance of beating you.

You want to let the ace or five hit, too bad there wasnt a flush draw on board either.

While the probable outcome (since you asked) was pocket 5's. I think you played it pretty square.

*IF* you were to play it differently, it would be to make a modest raise on the turn. ANY non 3 card that hits will possibly make a bigger boat. You may want to make a modest raise to run off any over pairs.

You played it within normal doctrine, no problem there.

**eclinchy** · 11-01-2004

I don't see the point of slowplaying this hand. There are so many possible second-bests here... he should be extracting money from all of them.

By the way, a big NO on the fives. That sucks.

**Marm** · 11-01-2004

Originally Posted by eclinchy

I would have raised on the turn. Not a whole lot, you want to keep him in, but you want to bet your full house for value.

In NL, you usually make Value bets on the river, not the turn or flop. in LHE this is a good idea, but if your trying to build a pot in NL, cold calling is a good idea too, good stealth value.

You're expecting action on the river, so raising on the turn will only reduce that action, especially if hes a habitual "bettor all the way". And given the action, it's apparent it didn't matter where the value bet was made, all the chips were going in.

I think raising to isolate / take the pot down is a good idea, but you wont get many value calls. Most poket pairs will bail here, especially if they only have a very weak draw. Better to keep in the 2 out draws for value on the river.

**the alex** · 11-01-2004

A bet from you, umich, would come out of nowhere here and be very fishy. You want someone to hit their straight. That or a deuce are the only hands that are gonna give you action. I don't know BaGrelm, but it would take a really big made hand for him to flat call that turn, so he's gonna give you action on the river, which is what you saw and made your move.

I might've raised it to $3 on the flop because in a pot that crowded, I know I'm gonna get action if I've been there for a bit, but a big bet/raise from you would be pretty fishy, if I had a medium pair or such.

**Veg** · 11-02-2004

raise after flop please

way too many players can hit the straight
you're giving them a free card by calling a mere 1$

i'd raise it to 3-4$

more on partypoker

PP people would prob call an all-in on a straight draw in that spot

you got a bit lucky hitting those 2s though

did anyone have pocket 5s btw ??

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