My VPIP 15%......Table VPIP 18%.....UTG+1 second hand.....Button VPIP 10%....BB VPIP 25%

Could i have got more outta this hand? Obvious what i have so no big secret here

BB was on a little agressive streak, raising last 3 pots in a row so i was hoping he was gonna bet river and then WHAM..id wake up......should i have set the alarm clock for one street earlier? The least i was hoping for was that one of the callers was on a big flush draw and would play ball with me on river...of course, this was prob more reason to raise turn tho...i get the feeling that i left a few $$ on the table with this one

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with , . MP3 posts a blind of $2. CO posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP3 (poster) checks, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) , , (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 folds, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (8.50 BB) (4 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (12.50 BB) (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, Button folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+1 doesn't show.
Hero has Th Ts (four of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 14.50 BB.

i definently made a big boo-boo with this one

i dont like making boo-boos

raise PF, if you aren't raising with TT what are you raising with?

I would probably raise the flop here, the board is fairly draw heavy people are gonna call 2 with KJ or a flush draw anyway, they'll definately call with a Q. The pot is pretty big, people with AK would probably call 2 aswell. I would probably raise here 90% of the time, especially if I raised PF.

Turn, gotta raise here. You don't realise how good that A it fills the straights and traps people with AK or AQ into the hand. Should have definately raised here.

River, too bad people weren't drawing to the flush.

Originally Posted by Trons

I disagree with Phyto...I don't raise the flop here...You want money, not folders...

Raising the turn is a requirement. The reason it's a bad idea to wait for the river is because you want anybody drawing to the str8 and to the flush to pay...whether they make it or not...If you wait to the river, they've already know whether they've made their hand or not. Combine this with the fact that you don't want them thinking you're on a flush draw (which is what you're not on) because when the flush hits, even if they hit it and they put you on a higher one, they will fold...(doubt that's the case here)...

I really like waiting till a big bet street to start jamming the pot (lot of people here don't agree with me), but I always do it on the turn...Mainly because If found that somebody would call one bet on the turn will call 2 if he thinks the river will help him.

I'd agree with that assessment normally Trons, but the pot is already big people will still be getting 8:1 to call with their draws which are already pretty much drawing dead. Raising on the flop is not going to force anyone out, it is a raise to get more money. If you got re-raised then you make the smooth call and raise the turn when its bet into you.

Originally Posted by Trons

I disagree with Phyto...I don't raise the flop here...You want money, not folders...

Raising the turn is a requirement. The reason it's a bad idea to wait for the river is because you want anybody drawing to the str8 and to the flush to pay...whether they make it or not...If you wait to the river, they've already know whether they've made their hand or not. Combine this with the fact that you don't want them thinking you're on a flush draw (which is what you're not on) because when the flush hits, even if they hit it and they put you on a higher one, they will fold...(doubt that's the case here)...

I really like waiting till a big bet street to start jamming the pot (lot of people here don't agree with me), but I always do it on the turn...Mainly because If found that somebody would call one bet on the turn will call 2 if he thinks the river will help him.

why do i make stupid plays, post the HH, wait for trons to post, then agree 100% with him?

as soon as i saw the flop, my plan was to call flop bet and raise turn......of course when the turn came i entered into my little world of "brain farts" and i only called

of course, my current published strategy for flopping quads just might not cut the mustard(99/100 it does tho )......im calling this flop and raising turn....as i said in my OP, raising turn is when to get those on a draw to pay extra to hit it.......now all i gotta do is stop listening to those voices that are in my head for the last few days