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    Default $30 rebuy tourney Final Table

    Would anyone have done differently?

    I am currently 2nd in chips with about 25k. Big Blind of 800. All fold, except for chip leader that pushes all-in. He has been a bully for most of the night. I look down at . I didn't put him on a great hand, or I might've been able to fold. I call all-in.....

    He flips over .

    Flop comes all low cards. I lose.

    Was this a bad beat, or should I have just folded?

    If I should've folded, where do you get that control that I need?

    This was by far the best tourney I've played, and I couldn't help but think that this was the only bad play I made all night. And it killed me.....
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    You were 46% to win the hand. Not a bad beat as such, more like a slightly weighted cointoss
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    Would you have done the same, or folded since he was the CL?
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    Anything other than AA in that situation I would probably fold as your up against the one person that can bust you. Bully or not Id let him have the 800 blind and save my 25K.

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    Default let him steal the blinds

    gotta agree...he's the one guy that can bust you.....yes you had a great hand but the more disciplined thing to do was make a laydown. No sense in risking your tournament life on a coin flip when you're 2nd biggest stack....btw, had he slowplayed, you wouldve been in big trouble with that flop....but he was obviously trying to protect his jacks as much as possible and steal the blinds, so he wouldnt slowplay...

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    Me too, no way I'm risking my whole stack on AQ, AK or any pocket pair and the guy is ahead. You haveto assume being chip leader with you still in the hand he wouldn't be stupid enough to bluff an all in. In fact I went out of an MTT 2 places off the money yesterday with the reverse of this hand - My JJ was beaten my AQ - but stack size dictated I had to push.

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    Discipline. That's tough.
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    Default Not a bad beat

    Not a bad beat per se, it's a pretty broadly used term, but I think to classify as a bad beat, you would have to be ahead at some point in the hand. I think the most accepted definition of a bad beat is a hand that is ahead before the flop (or maybe even after the flop) being beaten when all the cards are out. In fact, if you had won this hand, it would have been a slightly bad beat. I would just classify it as a dissapointing loss.

    Should you have pushed with the AQs, probably not against the chip leader. It's more the kind of gamble you take with a short stack. It's hard to see all those chips out there though, and know if you draw out this hand, you can probably cruise to a victory, especially if you know he's been raising with nothing.

    Though you didn't ask. I think JJ was a little liberal for him to push all in with. As CL he doesn' t have to make this kind of move. He put a great deal of his stack up for a coin toss, and he got called by the person who could take the most of them, who happened to have two live cards. He definitely dodged a bullet.

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    obviously a bad call b/c you lost. but seriously, its been said before....against the one person who could bust you....not smart.

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    I probably would have, but I would have been pissed at myself afterwards.

    How many were left, what were the stacks.

    When you are this far into the money, doubling up doesn't give you double equity. Chip value is < dollar value. For example having 100% of the chips doesn't give you 100% of the prize pool.

    Best to try to build your stack off of the short stack. There is money in survival at this point, so work your stack and try to build it while protecting it.
    Last edited by Beavis68; 01-09-2006 at 09:17 AM.

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