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Old 01-06-2006, 11:18 AM
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But he is saying that people are no longer calling with dominated hands, just pairs.
And sometimes even less just hoping to catch a piece of the flop :"Another problem with A-K was caused by poker on television (I accept my share of the blame). Wacky hands played by tricky pros get a lot of airtime. More and more players are emulating that strategy, so they can flop stealth two pairs and straights. Consequently, if you’re really deep-stacked, A-K becomes tremendously precarious. Your A-K can get an apparently attractive flop of K-8-6, and you can go broke when an opponent shows you an 8-6."
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Old 01-06-2006, 12:08 PM
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I think at the lower end games (like what I play), people are calling preflop raises with just about anything. I was recently playing in a .25/.50 ring and raised with AK and got beat out by a fool who called with 9-3.
Maybe you guys who play higher end games get more value out of AK?
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Old 01-06-2006, 12:15 PM
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I think at the lower end games (like what I play), people are calling preflop raises with just about anything. I was recently playing in a .25/.50 ring and raised with AK and got beat out by a fool who called with 9-3.
Maybe you guys who play higher end games get more value out of AK?
Thats just it, if people think you play AK and go too far with it an 93 isn't that much of a dog and actually gets huge implied odds.

AK is still a very good hand, but it is not a made hand as everyone has said and its main strength is in folding equity.

In Limit games it is very strong since so many people play Ax, floping an A thus becomes very very profitable.
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But if you play AK like you do AA KK and QQ pre-flop, then over half the time when these morons push your continuation bet with 99 post flop you, can call. And if people aren't calling raises with AQ AJ and AT and KQ you can raise more liberally with them, and have less fear of being dominated.

Maybe this clown is too predictable.

Maybe he doesnt realize that continuation bets aren't going to work al the time.

I would really like to know what time periods he is comparing.
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Old 01-06-2006, 12:45 PM
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Thats just it, if people think you play AK and go too far with it an 93 isn't that much of a dog and actually gets huge implied odds.
That's something I'm trying to work on, knowing when to let it go. Do you dump it if you miss an A or K on the flop and people are betting? See the turn? etc. I mean in ML games with 5 or 6 callers in a hand technically you're almost always getting great odds so is it worth going to the river? If somone makes a pair after the flop which isn't that uncommon with 5 or 6 people playing any 2 cards at that point your usualy a dog aren't you? So is it still worth continuing?

Things like this is where I'm kinda floundering in currently (especially after trying to apply some of the SSH theories). I have the odds to draw but anyone who makes a pair on the flop is already favored to win. Especially if they're playing Ax and the make a pair with their other kicker.

Okay I know I totally just started rambling...sorry.
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That's something I'm trying to work on, knowing when to let it go. Do you dump it if you miss an A or K on the flop and people are betting? See the turn? etc. I mean in ML games with 5 or 6 callers in a hand technically you're almost always getting great odds so is it worth going to the river? If somone makes a pair after the flop at that point your usualy a dog aren't you?

Things like this is where I'm kinda floundering in currently (especially after trying to apply some of the SSH theories). I have the odds to draw but anyone who makes a pair on the flop is already favored to win. Especially if they're playing Ax and the make a pair with their other kicker.

Okay I know I totally just started rambling...sorry.
In Limit ring games depending on the opponent and the flop you need to assess the board. With 4 or more people in I'll usually fold since there are many instances where you are reverse dominated. With 2 or 3 people in you need to be trickier sometimes depending on how they play, you can raise for as a semi-bluff and for a free card, you can bet out or you can fold.

When playing against complete donks though you are often still ahead and can bet the flop and turn in most instances.
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