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01-05-2006, 11:18 AM
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Limit hand
PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is BB with  ,  .
2 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, SB calls.
Flop: (9 SB)  ,  , (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, SB folds.
Turn: (5.50 BB) (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.
River: (5.50 BB) (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 9.50 BB
Results in white below:
Hero has Qs Qh (one pair, queens).
CO has Qc Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: CO wins 9.50 BB.
Do I bet the turn here? even though hes not likely to fold....
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01-05-2006, 11:26 AM
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My thoughts are bet the turn especially if you think you're still ahead. By not you're giving him a free chance to outdraw you with his 3 outs which is a 14:1 shot which he dosen't have the odds to draw to. I'm pretty new to limit myself so I'm just throwing this out there to possibly help and possibly find out if this would be the correct move.
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01-05-2006, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Dizzy_Fuzz
[/color]Do I bet the turn here? even though hes not likely to fold....
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Ummm, yeah. No offense, but not betting the turn is a HUGE error. Giving a free card here to a guy with an overcard or a draw here is horrible. You only have two outs to improve, and you are giving him infinite odds.
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First of all you foul mouthed imbecile. I think the value of forums is immeasurible. Forums are the one place you can learn the game. Forums are a learning medium. The problem I find in forums are, your post. We are talking to hot headed, juveniles, who have no clue what they are doing. You have to weed through posts such as yours to get valuable information.
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01-05-2006, 11:32 AM
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Please see the first quote in growlers sig for my advice to you Dizzy.
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01-05-2006, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Pok 7's
My thoughts are bet the turn especially if you think you're still ahead. By not you're giving him a free chance to outdraw you with his 3 outs which is a 14:1 shot which he dosen't have the odds to draw to. I'm pretty new to limit myself so I'm just throwing this out there to possibly help
and possibly find out if this would be the correct move.
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When you bet the best hand, you are gaining money for yourself, and costing your opponent money.
Why the hell did you bet the river then call the raise?
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01-05-2006, 11:34 AM
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I know now its apparently obvious.
I could say in my defense I was hoping for a check raise but it never came. I had to bet that river since I didnt bet the turn... which was the biggest mistake here. I guess im not too focused right now.....
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01-05-2006, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Beavis68
When you bet the best hand, you are gaining money for yourself, and costing your opponent money.
Why the hell did you bet the river then call the raise?
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That's a good point. I was so filled with poker rage that you didn't bet the turn I missed that part 
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First of all you foul mouthed imbecile. I think the value of forums is immeasurible. Forums are the one place you can learn the game. Forums are a learning medium. The problem I find in forums are, your post. We are talking to hot headed, juveniles, who have no clue what they are doing. You have to weed through posts such as yours to get valuable information.
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01-05-2006, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Dizzy_Fuzz
I had to bet that river since I didnt bet the turn... which was the biggest mistake here. I guess im not too focused right now.....
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If you really HAD too, then you are suffering from some problem that makes gambling a bad hobby for you. You can't make up for a mistake on one street by making a mistake on another.
Check on the end and you may induce a bluff you can just call.
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01-05-2006, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dizzy_Fuzz
I know now its apparently obvious.
I could say in my defense I was hoping for a check raise but it never came. I had to bet that river since I didnt bet the turn... which was the biggest mistake here.
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I find that when people trasition from NL to limit that they have a tendency to attempt to checkraise too much. You have to remember that the bet size on the turn may be 1/6 to 1/12 of the pot or so, depending on previous action. You are not going to trap a guy for his whole stack in limit poker.
It is different in NL when if you check he may bet 3/4 of the pot and then you come over the top - the reward in proportion to the pot size is much higher. In limit, you only have so many chances to build a pot one bet at a time - don't miss those chances!!!!!!
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First of all you foul mouthed imbecile. I think the value of forums is immeasurible. Forums are the one place you can learn the game. Forums are a learning medium. The problem I find in forums are, your post. We are talking to hot headed, juveniles, who have no clue what they are doing. You have to weed through posts such as yours to get valuable information.
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01-05-2006, 11:42 AM
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Fancy Play
I've found that, especially in limit that to attempt to check raise with anything less than the Stone Cold Nuts, is usually a mistake. I read it again and again from players I respect, "Bet Your Hand"
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