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01-04-2006, 04:46 PM
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Down to 85 left.
Got a slightly less than average CS.
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01-04-2006, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gder03
MP3 bets os he dosnt have the Q. NOw you have to reraise and hope MP2 is not slow playing.
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depending on how i see the others players in the pot, i may bet if i hit the Q here.....if its obvious to me that the others are good, solid, thinking players then im betting into this every now and again with a Q......the whole what does he think that i think that he thinks i have kinda story
that aside, im leading into this flop with my KK and if raised, then depending who raised it up, i may call or fold.....if MP2 raises, he doesnt have a Q or else hed want action from MP3......if MP3 puts in a raise or if he calls a raise from MP2, then its down to reads as to whether hed raise now with a Q or not.....id be leaning towards a fold if he raises flop tho.
as others have said, check calling that flop tells u nothing and just prolongs your agony as to what to do until the turn
if my bets gets called on flop by both guys, then its reads again as to what i do on turn.....is MP2 calling with a Q or in hope and is MP3 gonna overcall without a Q......id lean towards checking turn and see what happens
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01-04-2006, 05:23 PM
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Busted 50th.
heres my last hand:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (8 handed) converter
UTG+1 (t25335)
MP1 (t63170)
MP2 (t77976)
CO (t3409)
Button (t27525)
SB (t7870)
BB (t19957)
Hero (t36990)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with  ,  .
Hero raises to t6000, 1 fold, MP1 calls t6000, 5 folds.
Flop: (t12700)  ,  , (2 players)
Hero bets t10000, MP1 calls t10000.
Turn: (t32700) (2 players)
Hero bets t20890 (All-In), MP1 calls t20890.
River: (t74480) (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: t74480
Results in white below:
Hero has Kc Ac (two pair, aces and threes).
MP1 has Qh Kh (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP1 wins t74480.
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01-04-2006, 05:38 PM
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unlucky.....
what u get for 50th?
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01-04-2006, 05:43 PM
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Like $3. Lol.
Was a fun tourney though.
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01-04-2006, 05:45 PM
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200+% ROI, not bad. Good job.
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01-04-2006, 05:47 PM
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any tourney where u finish up in $$ is a whole lot better than the alternative....good job
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01-04-2006, 06:54 PM
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I think you made the correct play there with KK, I mean lets think about what you could beat:
AK
JJ
1010
I'd say JJ and 1010 are fairly unlikely, and with another caller in the pot someone probly has a queen. Smart laydown, not weak 
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01-04-2006, 08:21 PM
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I hate those hands OOP.
The check-raise is a viable play here... but you're putting a lot of chips at risk in a situation where you're only likely to get called if you're losing.
Betting out is okay, but an aggressive player may make the big raise and take your bet away from you with rags... and what do you do when you get called?
Check/call though is utterly horrible. Your hand isn't going to improve, and they are going to bet again on the turn and river. If you don't think you're best now, lay it down or try to get them to fold!
I think from a risk/reward ratio betting out is the best play. You'll be successful less often when your opponents bet you out with hands you beat ... but with the check/raise you're putting the tourney at stake hoping they don't have a Queen. The biggest advantage to the check/raise is that when there is a bet AND a call in front of you, you can probably comfortably lay your Kings down with your question answered. I just hate those situations where is simply isn't likely that you get called by a losing hand when a lot of your chips are going into the opot.
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01-05-2006, 05:54 AM
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I like the check raise in this spot. Not all the time of course, but if I feel like making a move and have any read on my opponents its a powerful move. I would mostly bet out into this flop, but most players who hit this flop are checking to try to trap. Typically someone raising me has me beat, which is why I like to mix it up with a check raise here. The guy who bets out probably has nothing and will lay it down when i come over the top.
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