I raise or fold here,,, depending of my read.

calling is a bad idea IMO....

However, NH!!!!

KJ

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Originally Posted by Girevik
Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

Sorry to say.... you were the fish, middle pair very poor kicker, 5 Outer?? don't see 5 outs all I see is two overcards on the flop and 8 outs to a possible flush. I would have folded preflop - and if i was bored enough to play the hand I would have folded to the flop bet.

Keefter: He had 5 outs to two pair.
Trons: Especially with the flush draw, calling is bad. Fold it donk!

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“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann

If there's a 2-flush on the board, I don't count the or the as full outs... maybe 1/4 out each in this kind of pot. There's also the SB who looks like he has a strong hand... with at least a possibility of it being AQ ... which means that with a single flush draw out agaisnt you you have a single out (which you hit anyway lol).

I only make those speculative x:1 calls preflop in limit with hands with some potential... suited, semi-connected hands, or stuff like JTo that I normally fold.

In a big pot though (like that one) calling a bet is rarely a huge mistake... and winning a monster pot where you get paid off for a LOT of big bets when you make your hand can make up for a lot of tiny mistakes. If your opponents are bad enough to call 2 BB on the turn and the river implied odds can make weak hands profitable. I still think that this was a couple of poor calls, but similar situations can be good.

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