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    Ok how do you play low Pre-flop pairs like 22 33 44 55 66 77 etc.. Becuase I never know if I should call/raise/fold with a 22 or 33. These in my opion are the trickiest cards to play, how ecatly do you handle them?
    Would you play a 22 preflop or fold em?
    Thanks, anwser with full detail PLEASE.

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    What type of game? NL or Limit? Tourney(sng or mtt) or cash?

    22-55 is folded pretty much everywhere though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonchkid
    What type of game? NL or Limit? Tourney(sng or mtt) or cash?

    22-55 is folded pretty much everywhere though.
    they are limpable late pretty much everywhere as well

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    Limit and NL, and in SnG's.. Thanks.

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    for NLHE cash games..
    22-77..
    just limp in and try to hit a set..
    if someone raises and he has more money at the table then 7x his raise.. then call and try to hit a set.. so basically just play them for set value.. if any overcards hits the flop then its pretty much check-fold..

    personally for me, i tend to play 22-88, and sometimes 99 this way as well...
    because i find that pocket 8s and pocket 9s.. sometimes even pocket jacks and tens.. are EXTREMELY hard to play after the flop, when u get a few callers, and thers over cards on the flop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slp
    they are limpable late pretty much everywhere as well
    In what. Post your PT for these hands :O
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclipse86
    for NLHE cash games..
    22-77..
    just limp in and try to hit a set..
    if someone raises and he has more money at the table then 7x his raise.. then call and try to hit a set.. so basically just play them for set value.. if any overcards hits the flop then its pretty much check-fold..

    personally for me, i tend to play 22-88, and sometimes 99 this way as well...
    because i find that pocket 8s and pocket 9s.. sometimes even pocket jacks and tens.. are EXTREMELY hard to play after the flop, when u get a few callers, and thers over cards on the flop.
    I've yet to really figure it out, it's an interesting gamble that can get all of your opponents chips if you hit your hand, but you're never really home free when you hit a set. You could also play like an idiot like me, call with 33, flop an open ended straight draw, hit it, fire all your chips in the pot like a donk and bust out (I kind of learned a lesson in that hand on avoiding an idiot end of a straight).

    When I watched nu2mdwst2 play these pairs he was stuck in 2 bad situations. He had called a min raise in the cut off seat with 33 (and I'm not gonna disagree with the play, because if he hits his hand, he puts himself in position to win the tournament). Unfortunately the button pushes with QQ I believe and he essentially just donates chips. The other hand that came up was in the last person before the bubble ends, it's folded to him in the SB with 66, and he raises, and a big stack in the BB goes all in. Even if the BB has 7-2 he's forced to muck that if he wants to make the money or play it safe if he has a legitimate hand.

    Tournaments can also vary on your stack, if you're short stacked towards the end of the tournament, obviously it gives you the option to push if you're the first one into the pot.

    8s and 9s extremely hard to play? Not necessarily, all you have to do is pick up the information and you'll know you have the best hand. It can obviously be more difficult in tournaments when you have to protect your stack as much as you can. Just read the hands, collect the information and make the decision. And if you don't have the best hand, buy it
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    I recommend you fold them ab. You need to be very skilled flop player to take down pots with 22-66etc. when you dont hit set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongBall42
    8s and 9s extremely hard to play? Not necessarily, all you have to do is pick up the information and you'll know you have the best hand. It can obviously be more difficult in tournaments when you have to protect your stack as much as you can. Just read the hands, collect the information and make the decision. And if you don't have the best hand, buy it
    Limping 99 to a flop of something like QT6 is horrible to play and getting information is going to cost. This is why they are weak in early position but play well in later positions. However, with one or maybe two limpers 88 and 99 are good for a raise (hopefully representing a range of hands that includes AK-AJ) because this means that you have position and image to take down pretty much any flop if it's checked to you.

    The raise preflop means that on a flop of KT5, AJ8 or QJ6 a reasonable bet (half potish) will either take it down or provoke a reaction from someone with top pair that will allow you to let it go. A low flop 452, 843 gives the opportunity to play the overpair for value.

    Not making this play against calling stations is important to avoid bleeding chips, but with a solid table image and identified passive players 88 and 99 can be useful in building a stack in tournies.

    As for 22-77, limp in mid-to late postion when the blinds are small relative to stacks and as the blinds increase drop 22-55 except for steals and keep 66 and 77 to attack weak players in the blinds or for looking to looking to hit a set with multiple limpers.

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    The people who have contributed to this thread have done their best, but you're problem is not "mid-low" pairs.

    Read No-Limit Texas Hold 'Em by Brad Daugherty and Tom McEnvoy for NL ring strategy, Championship Pot Limit and No Limit Hold 'Em by T.J. Cloutier and Tom McEnvoy for tourney crap and/or Small Stakes Hold 'Em by Lee Jones(?) for limit strats.

    Read these and your question in this thread will be answered.
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