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Old 12-22-2005, 01:13 PM
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Final table
7 players left

I have 42K (2nd in chips)
Button have 39K
Raiser 7K
I'm on BB With AKo

MP raise 7K and is all in
Button call
I call (do you raise?)

Flop comes
A46

I Bet 12K
Button call ????

Turn K

I check
Button is AI

What do you do?

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Old 12-22-2005, 02:19 PM
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Old 12-22-2005, 02:53 PM
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I honestly feel that you dont have any choice but to call. I dont know if you raise on the flop, you prolly have the best hand but sometimes its better to check it down with the other guy if you can so you dont push him out if he still has the guy all in beat, ya know? Just so the chance of him getting eliminated is twice as good. But like I said you prolly have the best hand so you can most likely take one out and severely cripple the other.
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:31 PM
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yeah call this.. this guy probably got A10, AJ or AQ
probably A 10 tho, since this guy didnt raise u on the flop.

before the flop tho, i dont re-raise, just call.. good play..
on the flop tho, i may consider check-raising with ur AK tho
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:57 AM
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I agree with call his all in. Only thing he could have had that'd beat you was AA or KK. Seeing as there are now 2 A's and 2 K's accounted for(hand and board) thats unlikely.
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Old 12-24-2005, 05:55 AM
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I'd probably call also... but I'd expect him to show me 44 or 66.
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Old 12-24-2005, 06:51 AM
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Eclispe....I would hate a check raise attempt here. There is too much of a chance that he will think you are "cooperating" and check behind you. I am value betting here and seeing if I can get him to put some more money in the pot. I am ahead the whole way here and am trying to maximize this pot.

The 1st guy all in has a minimal stack. My target is the button so I like the call pre-flop hoping to catch a favorable flop (which you did). If I miss the flop I move into cooperation play mode and hope the button is on same wave length.
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Old 12-24-2005, 08:50 AM
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This is a tough one. People often get pissed off when you don't cooperate with them at a final table to eliminate another player, and will often then try and take the pot away from you (even if they lose to the SS, they'll still pick up your bets and make a profit).

Here's your dilemma when betting this pot: If he's got a set, you're dead meat and pretty much out of the tourney. Why take the risk when you're doing well and have a chance to move up into the serious money (typically, the serious money starts between 5th - 3rd place). I know this seems ludicrous, but I think you need to be happy just to take the pot down by checking it down.

It hurts to watch a top two pair get checked all the way down, but I think you're most of the time you're getting called by a better hand (unless he has AK). I know this seems exceptionally conservative, but you've worked so hard to get here, don't piss it away on one hand like this.

I think in retrospect, I reraise the button PF and either end up heads up with a lot of dead money (likely against a smaller ace) against the SS, or then we play this one for real.

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Old 12-24-2005, 11:08 PM
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I would have raise allin preflop but in your situation you have to call his allin on the turn.
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Old 12-26-2005, 06:05 PM
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Well my plan was to check raise the turn...

But when he went AI, I suddently put him on 44 or 66... sounded relevent considering he did'nt try to isolate PF and he slow played the flop.

I had honestly near no choice to call... 1st, I could have been wrong, and also I still had a few outs... nothing to justify the call by its own, but pot odds and the fact I could be facing a stone cold bluff.... the side pot was at 24K after all...

He shown 66 and took the huge pot down, virtualy killing me for the 6th spot...

Makes me sick cause the great $$$ was 1 spot away... and top 3 was really nice...

Any way... I guess my mistake was PF...
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