god i hate it when this happens...

Eclipse86 · #1 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 11:23 AM

flop a fuckin set, but the board is all diamonds!
did i give too much credit to these players here? or did i make a good laydown?? u decide!
also did i play it correctly?

Getting Hand History Information...
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Hand #10102181-10492 at Carlton (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 16/Dec/05 14:54:58

Eclipse2005 is at seat 0 with $13.55.
stopit99 is at seat 1 with $.85.
Staxxxx is at seat 2 with $4.63.
LBBP is at seat 3 with $9.50.
Call Me Cash is at seat 4 with $5.
alanht is at seat 5 with $2.52.
SlickB52 is at seat 6 with $9.85 (sitting out).
TGACCARN is at seat 7 with $32.05.
karst23 is at seat 8 with $1.55.
grande_frere is at seat 9 with $9.80.
The button is at seat 6.

TGACCARN posts the small blind of $.05.
karst23 posts the big blind of $.10.

Eclipse2005: 4h 4c
stopit99: -- --
Staxxxx: -- --
LBBP: -- --
Call Me Cash: -- --
alanht: -- --
TGACCARN: -- --
karst23: -- --
grande_frere: -- --

Pre-flop:

grande_frere folds. Eclipse2005 calls. stopit99
folds. Staxxxx folds. LBBP folds. Call Me Cash
calls. alanht folds. TGACCARN calls. karst23
checks.

Flop (board: 4d Jd Qd):

TGACCARN bets $.40. karst23 calls. Eclipse2005
raises to $1.75. Call Me Cash calls. TGACCARN
calls. karst23 goes all-in for $1.45.

Turn (board: 4d Jd Qd Ah):

TGACCARN checks. Eclipse2005 bets $1. Call Me Cash
calls. TGACCARN raises to $11.10. Eclipse2005
folds. Call Me Cash goes all-in for $3.15. TGACCARN
is returned $7.95 (uncalled).

River (board: 4d Jd Qd Ah Ts):

(no action in this round)

Showdown:

TGACCARN shows Qs As.
TGACCARN has Qs As Jd Qd Ah: two pair, aces and queens.
karst23 shows Jc Qh.
karst23 has Jc Qh Jd Qd Ah: two pair, queens and jacks.
Call Me Cash shows Ad 3s.
Call Me Cash has Ad Jd Qd Ah Ts: a pair of aces.

Hand #10102181-10492 Summary:

$.70 is raked from a total pot of $14.40.
$.30 is raked from the main pot of $6.20.
$.40 is raked from side pot #1 of $8.20.
TGACCARN wins the main pot $5.90 with two pair, aces and queens.
TGACCARN wins the side pot $7.80 with two pair, aces and queens.
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gder03 · #2 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 01:18 PM

what is the point of betting that $1 on the turn? do you think ppl are gunna fold to a draw or what?

easy fold, any set higher (and ppl will limp with JJ-AA in .05-.10), the strait, the flush, etc.. they all beat you. In a 3 or 4 way pot im [not] gunna call that 100bb raise on the turn without a VArY stong hand.

withoyut result ill say its 50/50 that we have the best hand on the turn, but im not gonna gamble facing a 100bb raise.

gder03 · #3 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 01:20 PM

man that ideot pushing like that with 2 pair. good fold anyway.

PJ of TheGame · #4 (**permalink**) 12-17-2005, 04:25 PM

I did read the results... and your opponents play was worse then I thought

However, I don't like the fold on the turn. My reasoning is that by far the most likely hand for my opponents to have is a flush or a flush draw with a pair of Aces.

In this case, against a MADE flush, you're getting 2-1 to call and have 10 outs. Calling will put you all-in, so there are no implied odds here... so you're a 3.6-1 dog and are getting less then 2-1 to call. If you KNOW he has a made flush, you have to fold.

If he had a flush DRAW, even if he just paired his Ad, you're ahead. Your opponents have 8 outs to catch you (the A of diamonds doesn't help them) ... making you more then a 4-1 favorite. Even better, that's discounting the probability that at least 2 more diamonds are in people's hands since there are 3 people in against you, but even discounting that, you have to call.

So... you're either a huge favorite, or a big dog.. but remember, when you're a dog you're getting great odds on your wager.

If he has a made hand half the time, you win slightly more then half the time (your hand is stronger against his draw then his is against yours). You only NEED to win more then 1/3 of the time.

Making this an even easier call is the fact that at .05/.1 the players are terrible... and it's a lot more likely then usual that your opponents are drawing. So long as they only have a made flush 2/3 of the time or less, a call is profitable here. Do you really think this guy is so tight that he's that unlikely to make the move with just a draw and a pair?

goose58 · #5 (**permalink**) 12-18-2005, 05:43 AM

Don't fold sets in SSNL unless you have an incredible read. You have 3 options(and some slight variations of the options):

1.Push flop. If they have the flush you have plenty of outs with two cards to come. 2pair, top pair+big diamond is calling here, plus a load of other crap these guys play.

2.Raise flop, push any non diamond turn unless it pairs the board(if this happens you hope they hit the 4th diamond so you can get paid big)

3.Call flop, call turn, drawing to the full. I don't recommend this.

Option 2 is by far the best. By juicing up the pot on the flop, you can force your opponent to make a huge mistake on the turn because the pot is so big he probably wont fold the Ad.

Option 1 is fun in tough games with thinking opponents, and works great in games where people like to call.

gder03 · #6 (**permalink**) 12-18-2005, 01:54 PM

do not call the turn! ONly a loseing cash game player calls 100bb with bottom set in a 3-4 way pot!

I would have bet pot on the flop regardless of the results on showdown.