So am i the maniac/ am i weak/ am loose / passive ?

**surftheiop** · 12-13-2005

So what do you all make of how i played this hand?
Only read is ive seen guy i end up going up against over play some not very strong hands.
Hand #152369577 at table: STT $5 NL
Started: Tue Dec 13 21:18:54 2005

kottonmout is at seat 1 with 1400.00
wizdum69 is at seat 4 with 4355.00him (got stack in 3 way all in with 99 taking out AA and JJ)
Brick Top is at seat 5 with 1580.00
stjfreak is at seat 6 with 1395.00
puffrvd is at seat 8 with 2270.00
ladydollar is at seat 9 with 1000.00
surferiop is at seat 10 with 2925.00 Me

puffrvd posts the large blind 50.00
stjfreak posts the small blind 25.00

stjfreak: --, --
puffrvd: --, --
ladydollar: --, --
surferiop: 7c, Ac
kottonmout: --, --
wizdum69: --, --
Brick Top: --, --

Pre-flop:

ladydollar: Call 50.00
surferiop: Call 50.00 ( Looking to stack the maniac)kottonmout: Call 50.00
wizdum69: Raise 150.00 (Maybe if i hit flush i will stack him)
Brick Top: Fold
stjfreak: Fold
puffrvd: Fold
ladydollar: Call 150.00
surferiop: Call 150.00
kottonmout: Call 150.00

Flop (Board: 7h, 7d, 3d):

ladydollar: Check
surferiop: Bet 200.00
kottonmout: Fold
wizdum69: Call 200.00
ladydollar: Fold

Turn (Board: 7h, 7d, 3d, 9d):

surferiop: Bet 200.00
wizdum69: Raise 550.00
surferiop: Call 550.00

River (Board: 7h, 7d, 3d, 9d, 2h):

surferiop: Check
wizdum69: raises All in
surferiop: calls All in
results in white as i was advised: He shows pockets Qs and i ended up doing what i set out to do, but was this bad play on my part ?

**gder03** · 12-13-2005

without reading the showdowhn i will say: re-raise him instead of flat call on the turn. i mean you know hes gunna call your all in, so just get it over with.

**gder03** · 12-13-2005

well after the flop comes, you cant really evaluate if this was correct or it was mistake etc...

basically pf you limp early with kinda weak hand so, not vary good.
then your 50 is now facing an extra 3bb, this is shaping up to an unfavorable situation. Even if they are loose, you hardly have a hand, and are out of position.

So i think your pf play was bad. Even though you will get paid off when you hit a hand, i think folding pf in ep is the way to go.

And he didnt raise enough with QQ, so he got what he deserved.

**surftheiop** · 12-13-2005

i think this type of play that i misread/misapplyed from HoH he says that even if your original call was bad your call of the raise might be good.
He raised to 150 so was only 2 more BB.
"then your 50 is now facing an extra 3(2)bb, this is shaping up to an unfavorable situation"
Its costing me 100 to see a pot of 475 (575 it ends up). Arent these good odds? Harrington seemed to say anything better than 1 : 3 on your money was worth a call with anything but the worst cards if it wasnt crippling to your stack to do so. Did i miss Harringtons point or am i misinterpeting it?

**Aces-o-8s** · 12-13-2005

Flop - check to pf raiser to see what he'll do! betting out here warned the whole table off a very possible set. Good chance he would have gone all-in if given the chance and with a set you're only worry are the 2 diamonds at this point. If he just bets into the pot - re-raise him 3x or all-in if you think he'll call it.

**PJ of TheGame** · 12-13-2005

Anything better then 1-3 is worth a call... if you're all in.

However, you're going to get a flop you like well less then 25% of the time with that kind of hand... and you're occasionally going to lose a huge pot when you're against a bigger ace and one flops. You're going to have to risk more money most of the time here... and you're usually going to be way behind.

**surftheiop** · 12-13-2005

if you're all in.

Thanks for clarification i knew i must be missing a key fact

**gder03** · 12-13-2005

Originally Posted by surftheiop

Did i miss Harringtons point or am i misinterpeting it?

your right. Hoh does say make the calls despite the inital mistake, when the odds are correct. BUt i wouldnt know if the odds of A7s wining in a 4 way, so i dont know if calling 100 for a 800 pot is good odds. im guessing the odds are good enough to call. i disagree with the book about this theaory though.

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