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    Default MP first to enter

    In limit games, I'm having trouble with being in MP and having it folded to me when I have a marginal hand. I'm talking about hands like 88 or QJs. On one hand, I want to see the flop cheap, on the other hand, I don't want to be first to enter without a raise...

    I have been folding any hand from MP when first to enter that I don't feel comfortable raising with, but I think I'm losing money this way. Any help would be appreciated.
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    So raise! - although Ed Miller has no problem in Small Stakes Hold'em (pg 80-83) recommending just limping in with these hands from mid postion. Someone pointed out in another thread that there is no rule saying you can't raise small connectors and Daniel N will occationally throws in a 1st-in raise with 5-6s as a sneeky tactic. I don't always raise with raisng hands or limp with a limping hand - to do so would eventually become predicatable.
    As mistakes go, failing to raise with a raising hand is a minor one mostly because you're not building the pot when you have the equity pre-flop! Raising with a limping hand isn't really a mistake, it just over-aggressive
    While in your dilima, limping with a limping hand is really just a standard play - 1st in or not!

    I know Growler has 4 new rules he posted a day or two ago in which one rule was 'Never be the first in withour a raise!' Well, good advice in general but there are occations when I might and "Never" is such a strong word - "Avoid' might be more applicable to poker!
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    He He He Well you already know what my advice is, but I would say that 56s is just a TAD smalller that what I would raise first in with - 78s would be my usual cutoff for raising first in in MP. I like 23s and 34s better than 56s because when you make a straight with the A there is the A out there to get you some action. I think 56s is the worst of the suited connectors. Two broadways like JQ I'll raise first in happily in MP.
    Ya know, I was drunk playing on UB last night so playing looser and screwing around, and every time I tried limping first in the guy behind me raised, putting me in a horrible position for the rest of the hand. I still think raising first in is the way to go.
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    Depends how the table is Trons, QJs and 88 though those are definately raising hands from MP position, especially un-opened.

    Not sure about suited connectors in generally, unless they have high card strength they can probably be discarded lower than JT or if really frisky T9 or even 87s.

    Suited aces higher than 8, raise. Pretty much hands like KJ, QJ and ATo can be raised up aswell. Or at least I would.

    Pairs lower than 77, I usually discard though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phytopath
    Depends how the table is Trons, QJs and 88 though those are definately raising hands from MP position, especially un-opened.

    Not sure about suited connectors in generally, unless they have high card strength they can probably be discarded lower than JT or if really frisky T9 or even 87s.

    Suited aces higher than 8, raise. Pretty much hands like KJ, QJ and ATo can be raised up aswell. Or at least I would.

    Pairs lower than 77, I usually discard though.
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