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  1. 12-09-2005 #1
    Gondorff2000
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    Hi all!

    I recently started playing poker. I´m from Munich, Germany and google led me here.
    I play Limit Holdem 1/2 on Titan - got there by accident but kinda like it there.
    I considered my play as tight-aggressive but since having read SSHE my play became more and more passive and weak (no disrespect to Miller at all ).
    I see 17-25% of the flops and win 8-15% of the hands.
    I fold way too often and almost 70% of my losses I make from BB.

    Here now one hand maybe you could tell me your opinion and the way you´d have played it:

    me on BB holding 35o
    PF 4 callers (5.5SB)
    Flop: JA3 rainbow
    EP1 (calling station) bets, MP ("odds?what odds?") raises, I (no odds)... fold (9.5SB)
    4 and 2 on turn and river completing my straight.

    Now my problem: I counted with 5 outs but left the straight outs aside.
    Is there a way to count them correctly in and how? (no help in SSHE and HPAP)
    Anyone who would have called and why?
    EP1 held A3 and won.
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  2. 12-09-2005 #2
    Cpt. Bloodclot
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    might be wrong by i seem to remember reading somewhere that the odds on hiting a runner-runner draw (straight or flush) is about 4%, which is equal to 1 more out...

    so for that hand (assuming two pair would be a winning hand) your outs would be 2 threes, 3 fives, plus 1 for the runner-runner straight...making 6/47 cards which help you (12.75%), but you needed to call 2 bets out of 9.5 (21%)...so you were right to fold...
    I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? for he wants to perish.
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  3. 12-09-2005 #3
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    Actually Miller used backdoor odds through most of SSH. Backdoor draws is found on page 101 - bd str8s = 1 out and bd flushes = 1.5 outs.

    As for calliing - I never chase a runner-runner unless I have top pair to compensate.
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  4. 12-09-2005 #4
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    Thanks for the hint.
    Read and forgot within one week
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