3 handed NL question, WWYD

**nu2mdwst2** · 12-06-2005

This was a NL hand i played last night, looking for opinions...

What would you guys have done?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (3 handed) converter

Hero ($373.30)
SB ($219)
BB ($466.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with

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Hero raises to $8, SB raises to $28, 1 fold, Hero calls $20.

Flop: ($60)

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(2 players)
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SB checks, [color=#CC3333] Now what?

**The Real DeCoy** · 12-06-2005

I am not a good NL player, but my instinct tells me to check. I don't even have Ace high here. If the SB has pocket 88+ I am in trouble. SB could have hit trip 9's or J's. I'll take the free card and see if I can make my flush. He raised me, let it be his mistake having given me a free card. If I had hit a pair or was riding an A I would probably bet out, but with a 14BB pot on the table and a chance for me to hit my flush for free I would think this makes sense.

I am looking forward to hear the better players responses.

**slp** · 12-06-2005

I bet $33

**nu2mdwst2** · 12-06-2005

Originally Posted by The Real DeCoy

I am not a good NL player, but my instinct tells me to check. I don't even have Ace high here. If the SB has pocket 88+ I am in trouble. SB could have hit trip 9's or J's. I'll take the free card and see if I can make my flush. He raised me, let it be his mistake having given me a free card. If I had hit a pair or was riding an A I would probably bet out, but with a 14BB pot on the table and a chance for me to hit my flush for free I would think this makes sense.

I am looking forward to hear the better players responses.

You dont just have a flush draw, you have an open ended straight draw as well...

**Marm** · 12-06-2005

$40.

Or maybe because we have equity, we should just push allin as some posters would recommend.

**The Real DeCoy** · 12-06-2005

Originally Posted by nu2mdwst2

You dont just have a flush draw, you have an open ended straight draw as well...

AHHHH...This is why I write it out. I'd rather be called a boob here for free than pay to be an idiot in game.

So that gives:

8 outs to the straight
7 outs to the flush (-2 for the 8 & K of clubs)
2 weak outs to pair the Q (weak because he could be on trips)
2 weak outs to pair the T

I don't think he would check if he had paired the J, so either he is way weak or slowplaying.

Is my thinking correct now? 15 solid outs and 4 potential weak outs that I would probably discount to 2?

If that is the case does that make me even money on the flop to win? If that is correct, then I would think that a 1/2 pot bet makes sense. Please help me here.

This is precisely why my NL game sucks so any feedback would be appreciated.

**Beavis68** · 12-06-2005

How did all these min raisers infiltrate our group.

Over-bet the pot, unless he has a set he is not a favorite. He only has 180 left, I may just push all-in.

And next time fold PF.

Phil Gordon has a great discussion in his book about plays like this from Prahlad Freidman, and kind of like Doyle Brunson too.

**Aces-o-8s** · 12-06-2005

Your'e better than even money with two draws - the 17 outs count by the Real DeCoy being a good analysis. I think I would probably go for $40 bet just to keep him checking into me and maybe take a free card next round. If he's check-raising ya, well maybe it depends by how much but I can't see laying this puppy down. It looks to me as if he's betting an AK or AQ but I also think he's not that good at heads-up or he would have made a continuation bet - unless he's check-raising! Either way, IMO, you should bet about 2/3 pot.

Oh ya, and like Beavis said - fold pre-flop to a 2.5x raise. That smells like AA or KK but if so, he's screwing up by check-raising and giving you a chance to suck him out with either a str8 or flush.

**nu2mdwst2** · 12-06-2005

Beav, i used to be adament against min betting as well. However, i've found in the 1/2, 2/4, and 3/6 NL games that ive been messing with that, shorthanded, min raising is not a bad thing at all. You'd be surprised how many times you can min. raise preflop, then bet min. on the flop and take it down; it's not as bad of a play as you think.

And as far as folding preflop, i had been going back and forth with this guy all day on multiple tables. He had been reraising my min. raises with hands like 6-4, 8-7, 10-8, so there wasn't a chance i wasnt going to see a flop with this hand 3 handed, especially with position on this guy.

I decided to bet out $20, to build the pot. He then raised me to $60. What's your play now?

**traz** · 12-06-2005

my bet would have been around 40

as played, I push over the top.

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