Do you make the call?

**Pok 7's** · 12-06-2005

Sorry guys I know I've been posting a few hands here but I just moved up a level (the penny tables can cloud your judgement) and I want to see if I'm making the correct moves even if the outcome is less than desireable. I figured once I bet the flop I was kinda committed to call cuz he was short stacked, I figured it was one of 2 hands he had here. Correct move? My only thoughs were a bigger PF raise but I don't know if even that would've gotten him to fold, I know I would want to see a flop.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) converter

MP2 ($12.10)
MP3 ($13.10)
CO ($4.55)
Button ($8.75)
SB ($8.40)
BB ($3.90)
UTG ($11.50)
UTG+1 ($15.05)
Hero ($13.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with

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UTG raises to $0.4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.9, 2 folds, CO calls $0.90, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.50.

Flop: ($2.85)

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(3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2, CO raises to $3.65, UTG folds, Hero calls $1.65.

Turn: ($10.15)

(2 players)

River: ($10.15)

(2 players)

Final Pot: $10.15

Results in white below:
Hero has Ks Kd (one pair, kings).
CO has Qc Qh (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: CO wins $10.15.

**Aces-o-8s** · 12-06-2005

Well, you had to figure him for top pair at least and very possibly a set but since he was all-in on his own I don't see that you had much choice but to call. If he had just called, you would have put him all-in on the turn anyway - right?
Last night I had 3 sets of pocket Kings and 2 of pocket Aces - all the kings and one of the aces got pissed on by the river. I was having better luck with mid and mini pairs but then I don't expect as much from them! If you're going to play poker, you're going to get these kind of hands, right?

**Pok 7's** · 12-06-2005

Originally Posted by Aces-o-8s

I was having better luck with mid and mini pairs but then I don't expect as much from them! If you're going to play poker, you're going to get these kind of hands, right?

I know what you mean, so far some of the biggest $ wins I've had come from pocket 7's and 9's. Acutally on my PT stats from the penny tables pocket 9's alone has made more $ for me than AA and KK combined.

**The Real DeCoy** · 12-06-2005

I am so far from being an expert at this, but from what I learned I would say that your raise preflop is too small. With the UTG+1 coming in for 0.4 the sense that I've gotten here is that you should be going at least 2.5 to 3x his raise to 1.00 or 1.20. You were gonna get sucked out here because the QQ is coming in anyway and even if he AI preflop you're calling. However, what would have happened had the UTG+1 stayed in on the flop and he took the pot down because he caught something with his hand? You would have kicked yourself here.

I'd love to hear some feedback on what I am saying. Right, wrong, or it didn't matter.

Ignore the QQ though. Hes in the hand with that no matter what.

**Pok 7's** · 12-06-2005

That's why I was thinking maybe a bigger raise PF but UTG was playing fairly loose raising alot of pots PF anyway. If he called me on a .90 on a reraise I doubt .10 more would've made a difference maybe .30 but I don't know. I knda wanted him in cuz I only needed to be worried about 1 hand PF (in theory I want him to call if he has anything less than AA right?) it was the action behind me I was concerned about. But like you I'm far from expert and open to feedback.

**Marm** · 12-06-2005

Haven't read the results or the rest of the posts, but I make this call In a heart beat. Lots of players will do this exact play with AQ, AK, AA, KK, QQ, JJ, KQ, QJ, so you range of hands that beat you are very small compared to the range of hands you beat, hence, easy call.

**JokersWild** · 12-06-2005

Originally Posted by Pok 7's

...pocket 9's alone has made more $ for me than AA and KK combined.

Perhaps you are having trouble throwing away AA and KK. Maybe you are overvaluing them. At penny tables guys are drawing for sets, straights and flushes. If there are lots of people in the pots it's going to happen a lot. AA, KK and 99 all have the same value in these cases and that's zero.

So maybe you are tossing 99 with more ease than the AA or KK hands.

**Eclipse86** · 12-07-2005

re-raise more preflop, at least 4x the original raise, and in this case raise to at least $1.60..

**Beavis68** · 12-07-2005

What is the purpose of raising more?

Raising to $1.60 seems a little too high with KK. The only hands that are folding are the ones you want to play against. Would $1 or $1.20 not get it heads-up most times? I don't play cash games at this level enough to know.

I know I always rail against min raises, but that PF raise doesn't seem bad with KK. They guy doesn't have implied odds to hit his set, and he isn't getting good odds to flop an ace.

As far as calling on the flop, that is mandatory.

**PJ of TheGame** · 12-07-2005

Besides that... it's 1.5 to win over 8. You should NEVER make a fold with those kind of pot odds and a respectable hand in NL when your opponent is all in. If he's bluffing 10% of the time, and you'll win EVEN AGAINST A SET 10% with two to come, you allready have enough equity against his range. If you throw AQ into his possible holdings, this is one of the easiest calls you'll ever make.

I can't believe he didn't reraise all-in preflop.

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