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  1. #1
    Poker Professional Pok 7's's Avatar
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    Default How to avoid situations like this?

    After reviewing some of my hands for NL I find that there a decent amount of instances where my aggressiveness causes me to bust myself. Granted it's not all the time but I've noticed some sessions where I'm pushing hands that I'm beat on the flop. Sometimes an opponent dosen't have to do anything except just call my bets and I'll bust myself. Here's an example and what would be the best way to play this? I'm not sure if something like this is just the breaks or not.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) converter

    MP3 ($3.05)
    CO ($11.30)
    Button ($1.20)
    SB ($9.85)
    BB ($3.05)
    UTG ($12.20)
    UTG+1 ($11.25)
    Hero ($3.25)
    MP2 ($4.05)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with , .
    UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.5, 4 folds, SB calls $0.45, 1 fold, UTG folds.

    Flop: ($1.20) , , (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.1, SB calls $1.10.

    Turn: ($3.40) (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.65 (All-In), SB calls $1.65.

    River: ($6.70) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $6.70

    Results in white below:
    SB has 8h 8d (three of a kind, eights).
    Hero has As Ac (one pair, aces).
    Outcome: SB wins $6.70.
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    I don't think there is anything you can do differently here. That's poker.

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    if there is anyway to spot those sneaky trips besides the massive overbet (10x the pot) I'd like to know as well

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    Yeah, that's a tough one. Sounds similar to what's happened to me before, flopping top pair with a good kicker only to lose a big pot because someone in the blind had me beat at the beginning with two pair.

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    You played it reasonably well, he made some bad mistakes though.

    7:1 to hit trips, if he calls you 7 times thats costing him more in chips than you have.
    -EV in the longrun calling someone with your stack size.

    He may have thought you were on a steal in which case he should have reraised.

    Your only mistake was the flop bet in my opinion.
    If you are going to commit half your chipstack to it, you are probably going to consider yourself pot comitted anyway, so you would be better off going all in right there, rather than getting the rest in on the turn.
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    you gotta go broke with this hand. THe board is what you call weak as hell, so u figure you have him. PLus when he slowplays like that its hard to put him on strong hand. Keep playing AA the way you play, i like it.
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    yeah i agree with gder, this is just one of those hands that u end up losing alot of money on.. rainbow board, obviously he doesnt have 2 pair... this guy could easily have AJ, QQ KK or AA to be calling ur bets like that.. plus u were already pot commimited by the turn, so there would be no point in checking the turn only to fold to a river bet. Liked how u played it tho, it was great!

    one thing i like to do with Aces however, is to raise it even more preflop.. like at least 6.5x the bb this way i will have less people calling my raises with small pocket pairs, only to hit sets on me, and break my stack.. if u play this way, the majority of the people that call your raise will have AK AQ or pocket tens and up.. and if the guys calling u with AK or AQ u pretty much got them dominated like 98% of the time, better yet, if a A K or Q comes up for them on the flop to make them top pair, then u pretty much can double ur stack.(as a pose to any small pocket pair, which u would only dominate 86% of the time, but if he flops a set, then ur pretty much betting while drawing dead almost). sure, you wont get much callers preflop.. but at least its better then taking really bad beats when u got aces.. this seems to work well for me in low limit tables (5c/10c)
    Last edited by Eclipse86; 12-06-2005 at 02:58 AM.

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    "Your only mistake was the flop bet in my opinion.
    If you are going to commit half your chipstack to it, you are probably going to consider yourself pot comitted anyway, so you would be better off going all in right there, rather than getting the rest in on the turn."

    You want calls here. Going all in on the flop is a good way to get weak hands that could pay you off to fold. A big reason you went broke is because you stack is so small... it's not like you lost 100 BB. He never had to raise there... but he didn't win anything.

    Eclipse, unless you're putting in more then 1/8 of your stack with your 6 BB raise, you're not offering bad odds for people to call with a small pair, especially since it seems like you have trouble folding aces to a big raise.
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