Play tourney - the wrong time to make a move?

**Dizzy_Fuzz** · 12-05-2005

Well basically was playing a play tourney at Pokerstars...

.. I just think my timing to push on the river was bad.

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PokerStars Game #3248355728: Tournament #16078915, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2005/12/05 - 12:54:08 (ET)
Table '16078915 4' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Spottie (7740 in chips)
Seat 2: LilBuger (6850 in chips)
Seat 3: g_thebrave15 (7537 in chips)
Seat 4: wilego (4387 in chips)
Seat 5: danjoryan1 (9276 in chips)
Seat 6: wildpitch (12955 in chips)
Seat 7: Dizzy Fuzz (8657 in chips)
Seat 8: papermaker50 (7509 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: cwc_007ca (2589 in chips) is sitting out
Spottie: posts the ante 25
LilBuger: posts the ante 25
g_thebrave15: posts the ante 25
wilego: posts the ante 25
danjoryan1: posts the ante 25
wildpitch: posts the ante 25
Dizzy Fuzz: posts the ante 25
papermaker50: posts the ante 25
cwc_007ca: posts the ante 25
cwc_007ca: posts small blind 100
Spottie: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dizzy Fuzz [5c 5d]
LilBuger: calls 200
g_thebrave15: calls 200
wilego: folds
danjoryan1: folds
wildpitch: raises 800 to 1000
Dizzy Fuzz: calls 1000
papermaker50: folds
cwc_007ca: folds
Spottie: folds
LilBuger: calls 800
g_thebrave15: folds
*** FLOP *** [3s Ac 8c]
LilBuger: checks
wildpitch: bets 1000
Dizzy Fuzz: calls 1000
LilBuger: folds
*** TURN *** [3s Ac 8c] [7s]
wildpitch: bets 1000
Dizzy Fuzz: calls 1000
*** RIVER *** [3s Ac 8c 7s] [5s]
wildpitch: bets 1000
Dizzy Fuzz: raises 4632 to 5632 and is all-in
wildpitch: calls 4632
Dizzy Fuzz said, "nh"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dizzy Fuzz: shows [5c 5d] (three of a kind, Fives)
wildpitch: shows [7d 7c] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Dizzy Fuzz said, "gg"
wildpitch collected 18989 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18989 | Rake 0
Board [3s Ac 8c 7s 5s]
Seat 1: Spottie (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: LilBuger folded on the Flop
Seat 3: g_thebrave15 folded before Flop
Seat 4: wilego folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: danjoryan1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: wildpitch showed [7d 7c] and won (18989) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 7: Dizzy Fuzz showed [5c 5d] and lost with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 8: papermaker50 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: cwc_007ca (small blind) folded before Flop

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The fact that he bet constantly threw me a bit, but I really should of known something was up? Or should have I?

**Antneye** · 12-05-2005

You screwed up long before the river. How on earth are you calling his bet PF? Then how are you calling his bet after the flop? You have pocket 5's.....the PF raiser is betting again and you are facing 2 overcards...one of which is an Ace...one of the most likely holdings of your opponents to justify his 5XBB PF raise.

You did not belong in this hand at all.

**Girevik** · 12-05-2005

Um, wow.

Pre flop: Calling a 4xBB bet with a small pair is a mistake.
Flop: Calling a bet wtih two overs on the board is a mistake, epecially when one of them is a A (some people NEVER fold aces). Riase or fold.
Turn: Calling a bet is even a bigger mistake here - the first guy has to figure you if you didn't fold last time you're not going to his time, so it's not a bluff. If you think you have the best hand raise.
River: Yeah, you hit your trips but now there is a possible flush out there. No hand you can beat is going to call your all-in. Just call or make a small raise.

**Dizzy_Fuzz** · 12-05-2005

It was an incredibly bad move... especially at this late stage of the tournament and with that hand... I just acted TOO PASSIVELY... It happens a lot at late stages in tourneys.

.. I really need to cut these mistakes out in order to make myself a better player - its merely discipline.

**PJ of TheGame** · 12-05-2005

Passivity isn't your problem here.

Preflop it is 1000 to call. Even if you HIT your set, at 8-1 odds, you barely have enough chips to justify the call on implied odds! This is a weak call here... with shortish stacks, you can't play speculative hands.

On the flop is even worse. You're only getting 5-1 pot odds here. You can ONLY call here if you think you have the best hand... you're over 20-1 to hit trips on the next card, and your implied odds have shrunk even more. In order for you to have the best hand, he has to have two unpaired high cards that justified a raise preflop and DONT include an Ace. So out of all the hands he could have ONLY KQ justifies continuing to play... and there you should be raising to keep him from drawing out on you since he has 6 outs (more if they're suited).

The turn you HAVE to call because you called the flop bet and your odds are better... but it's still a terrible call for the same reasons as the flop play was.

The river all of a sudden you do beat some of his possible holdings... but I don't know that he calls there with AK. You hit a big hand though... so why bet so large? You're screaming slow-play (not true, but that's what it looks like)... make a bet he can easily call without the nuts.

**Irexes** · 12-05-2005

You should have folded preflop.

Being passive wasn't the problem. Over valuing a low pocket pair was the problem.

**PowerfulRog** · 12-05-2005

55 sucks.

Anymore than 5xBB, I fold PF.

Don't you love PS playchip 45 man SnGs?

**gder03** · 12-05-2005

two players call and third raises 5xbb. Calling, FLAT CAlling, JUST CALLING, is absolutly an awful play. what if EP was limping with a monster? and throws in a reraise? This is called a sandwitch, your calling a bunch of chips and are left defenseless. Furthurmore 55in a possible 4 way pot is fairly weak. I didnt even look at the flop, but im guessing u made more mistakes.

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