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  1. #1
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    Default What could he be calling with?

    How do you play this hand on the early streets, what hand do you put him on in early streets, and how do you play fifth street?


    MTT

    Seat 1: SB ($1,480 in chips)
    Seat 2: BB ($1,500 in chips)
    Seat 3: UTG ($1,275 in chips)
    Seat 4: Hero ($1,490 in chips)
    Seat 5: UTG+2 ($1,745 in chips)
    Seat 6: MP1 ($1,460 in chips)
    Seat 7: MP2 ($1,460 in chips) (Villain)
    Seat 8: MP3 ($1,800 in chips)
    Seat 9: CO ($1,250 in chips)
    Seat 10: Button ($2,930 in chips)

    10/20 blinds

    Hero dealt [ ]

    PRE-FLOP
    1 Fold, Hero calls $20, UTG+2 $20, 1 Folds, MP2 calls $20, 1 Folds, CO calls $20, Button calls $20, SB Folds, BB checks.

    FLOP [board cards , , ]
    SB checks, Hero bets $80, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls $80, 3 folds

    TURN [board cards , , , ]
    Hero bets $180, MP2 calls $180.

    RIVER [board cards , , , , ]
    Hero bets $300, MP2 Raises $600, Hero calls $300.

    SHOWDOWN
    MP2 shows [ 5s, 5d ]
    Hero mucks cards [ 5h, 4h ]
    MP2 wins $1,850.
    -You may not know this, but poker is a game of incomplete information.

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    His call on the flop might mean A2, A3 or A5.

    His call on the turn might mean the same thing although now I have to start worrying about a slow play.

    I wouldn't have bet the river and now his raise seems to indicate a small set.

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    bet harder on the turn and check/fold the river

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    Why are you betting the river?
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    Because I had brainlocked him into the image of someone with overcards that he couldn't get away from. Obviously played this hand poorly.

    I actually think calling his raise was a worse mistake then betting in the first place.
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    Overcards he couldn't get away from? AK? I can't see him calling a river bet with overcards to this.
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    As I said... I have no idea why I played the hand so poorly. Why I felt the need to post if for you guys to tell me I'm an idiot

    All I could see was how many outs I had... don't know why when none of them hit I gave away 600 more chips.
    -You may not know this, but poker is a game of incomplete information.

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    Couple of things I spotted here.

    Suited connectors from EP can get you into trouble on a full table with so many to act behind you, they play much better from a late position.

    The flop bet was alright. You were giving bad pot odds to anyone drawing yet you had many outs yourself, and you had good implied odds if you did make your hand.
    You removed the rest from the pot although again you had a lot of possible action behind you.

    The turn, arguments both ways here, it improved your outs a lot. I think you played it fine, although I may have checked hoping for a free card and possibly put in a reraise if he bet weakly.

    River, what do you actually have beat? overcards? well there are two on the turn and river. You didnt make your flush or your straight or your two pair.

    Up to now you have put $280 in the pot, which was pretty good, if your flush or straight had come you would most probably have cleaned the guy out.

    What beats you?

    Ax with x being 5 or 4, for a straight or higher kicker, people do limp regularly with a low card and an ace.
    Pocket pair over 5.
    Any set which is possible because of the large amount of limpers.

    Chances are you are beaten, you could walk away, you made a good play but you didn't make your hand this time.
    Raising the river is the worst thing you could do. If he has any hand he is going to call you, and chances are very good you are beaten. You are just donating money to the pot in this case.

    Calling his reraise was worse however, at this point you had two good options, if you thought he had AK or AJ, you should have reraised all in, otherwise fold. but AQ or A10 had you licked as well, if you thought he was on an ace with a 10-king, then there is a 50% chance you are beaten this way as well. I doubt many people could put someone on a hand that precisely given his actions up to the river.
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    If I played 45s from ep, which is possible but unusual then I'm probably checking the flop, hoping for one bettor in late position (hopefully last to act)and reraising him.

    If that didn't work I'm getting away from it.

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    overcards? Like AT or KT or AQ or KQ?

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