Medium strength hand... let it go?

**PJ of TheGame** · 12-03-2005

Only 20 hands on the villian... 48% vpip and 9% pfr. Critique each bet... fold, call maybe?

.50/1 Limit Hold 'Em
Hero is MP3 with [

]

PRE-FLOP
4 folds, Hero Raises , 1 folds, Button 3-Bets , 2 folds, Hero calls .

FLOP [board cards

,

]
Hero checks, Button bets , Hero Raises, Button 3-Bets, Hero folds.

SHOWDOWN
Button wins $6.05.

**bboy** · 12-03-2005

what are you trying to do with the flop checkraise? just let it go man fight another day

**growlers** · 12-04-2005

Originally Posted by PJ of TheGame

Only 20 hands on the villian... 48% vpip and 9% pfr. Critique each bet... fold, call maybe?

Well, you can't call. You have no hand and you have at best three outs. That situation is ALWAYS raise or fold regardless of the situation!
A 9% pfr is not really out of line, that's is what I have and I raise only good cards and steals, he was three betting preflop so he sure aint stealing.It's not like his pfr is like 18% or something.
I think the extra bet you wasted on the checkraise would have been better served capping preflop and betting out on the flop.

**Phytopath** · 12-04-2005

If you cap PF you can probably try for the check raise, but most players with 50% VPIP in full ring are gonna call you down with their hand. If he doesn't have AK you might get him to fold, but is it even worth it?

I think him 3 betting PF he has at worst in this case 99. Of which you have at most 6 outs to try and make a move.

I probably check fold here and wait for the next hand.

Originally Posted by PJ of TheGame

Only 20 hands on the villian... 48% vpip and 9% pfr. Critique each bet... fold, call maybe?

.50/1 Limit Hold 'Em
Hero is MP3 with [

]

PRE-FLOP
4 folds, Hero Raises , 1 folds, Button 3-Bets , 2 folds, Hero calls .

FLOP [board cards

,

]
Hero checks, Button bets , Hero Raises, Button 3-Bets, Hero folds.

SHOWDOWN
Button wins $6.05.

**growlers** · 12-04-2005

Originally Posted by Phytopath

If you cap PF you can probably try for the check raise, but most players with 50% VPIP in full ring are gonna call you down with their hand. If he doesn't have AK you might get him to fold, but is it even worth it?

I think him 3 betting PF he has at worst in this case 99. Of which you have at most 6 outs to try and make a move.

I probably check fold here and wait for the next hand.

I agree with everything here but the bolded part. I would - and have often played AQ and AJ exactly the same as the button did preflop and flop.
That said, I still fold hero's hand, because he is out of position with his AQ and has no hand and few outs. But I'm just pointing out that it is conceivable he folded the best hand or a tie - unlikely, but conceivable.

**gder03** · 12-04-2005

i dont play lim, but if this was nl, i like the chek raise. being lim, i got no clue.

**Phytopath** · 12-04-2005

Originally Posted by growlers

I agree with everything here but the bolded part. I would - and have often played AQ and AJ exactly the same as the button did preflop and flop.
That said, I still fold hero's hand, because he is out of position with his AQ and has no hand and few outs. But I'm just pointing out that it is conceivable he folded the best hand or a tie - unlikely, but conceivable.

Yeah I was gonna add AJ as a possible 3 bet hand aswell

, in a full game I would throw it away against an early position raiser though and I think alot of other people would aswell. I think your 50/9 villian would probably cold call with it, but who really knows.

**Beavis68** · 12-04-2005

if you are gonna do that check-raise, you can't fold on the flop.

Wait till the turn.

**WotaWaster** · 12-05-2005

Beavis, why should he not fold on the flop to the reraise? Personally I would have thought that you are now putting him on a king and most likely AK or even QK, which would give you basically no outs.

I'm not critising you, I genuinely want to know the thinking behind that comment.

**PJ of TheGame** · 12-05-2005

Because you don't want him to think that raising you on the flop will buy pots, in future cases. Straight from SSH.

Do you guys call or cap his 3-bet on the flop? I used to 3-bet AQo, but now only do it if they are suited (I also used to cap with AJ and 99 and the like, but want JJ or better to cap). Is this wrong?

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