I would fired and expected a raise, check the river if anybody is still there though

I'm fine with it... you bought a free showdown with a VERY marginal hand.

I think that betting the turn was a plus EV move though... No way they BOTH have you beat... and they may fold a hand better then yours with the A on the board. Of course... I figure the odds one of them HAS an A are pretty good too, so it's all pretty marginal.

Flop checkraise here is my standard play. You have a good but very vulnerable hand with a draw heavy board. Gotta get people with unimproved overcards out.

You ABSOLUTELY have to bet the turn. The ace actually is not too bad a card, I'd rather see that than a J or Q. It persuedes people on a straight draw to fold, and someone with a good A or just made two pair will probably raise, so you can fold with no regrets.

Assuming you bet the turn and got called, you can probably check/call the river with that brick falling. No one that called the turn is going to call you with a worse hand -anyone with a busted draw will fold to your bet anyway and you have them beat. Anyone with an ace will call. About the only hand that might call you that you can beat is

Originally Posted by Phytopath

Kinda was unsure of my turn play here, I was going to bet and guess from your responses I should have. The A was a scary card here, because most players at this level seem to limp with Ax and typically call flop bets. So I figured I was up against a KT, since I wasn't re-raised.I was really hoping to get the BB to fold here (he had KQ) and I was quite shocked he called 2 bets in this situation.

UTG had 96. Not sure why he even called the flop raise, guess he figured I was bluffing. Most people don't bluff completing the SB .

I gotta agree my Turn play was weak here, though I felt I had to check the river.

I don't know how you can put anybody on anything here. KT? Everyone limped preflop and UTG bet out after two checks. He could have anything from botom pair to a set, and MP could be calling with a flush draw, bottom pair, straight draw, etc.... I would call if I was MP with KdQx - two overcards, a gutshot nut straight draw, and a backdoor flush draw - remember, he only called one and then you raised - it wasn't like he coldcalled two bets.
But you know at least one of them is on a draw and meanwhile you have a made but vulnerable hand - this mandates you bet the turn! Forget the rest of it - this alone mandates you bet. You just gave anyone on a draw a free card that could cost you the pot. You can't take one stab at it and give up. I don't care what falls on the turn - I'd rather bet and fold to a raise then check and maybe throw away the best hand when the guy on draw and nothing else senses your weakness and bets.

Originally Posted by Phytopath

I guess my previous post didn't come across quite as I wanted.

I was meaning that I try to put people on hands, which can be extremely hard given the fact that alot of these people play 60% or more of the hands. What I kind of mean to say was that I wouldn't have been suprised if these players had turned over K10 or Q10, they hit their 10 and just call down any bets to the river. Also that Ax is a hand that they would typically make a loose call with on the turn.

That being said I should have lead the turn, and I agree with you that I should have made the draws pay more. I know I have difficulty playing these marginal hands out of position, I seem to run into situations like this fairly often and am not always clear on how to play them.

Thanks - I better understand what you mean. My comment would be that I would make the bolded part VERY easy. You have a marginal hand out of position - always bet / raise / fold. Never check or call. Betting and raising adds alot of value to your hand via folding equity. The beauty of a marginal hand out of positon is that you can fold to a raise very easily against most players.
Now we just gotta work out the definition of "marginal"!