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    Default Too much like Hellmuth?

    Early in one of the Stars 180 person $20+2 SNGs. Basically just wondering if this could be termed a good laydown, or just really weak.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

    SB (t2150)
    BB =#A500AF(Villain)/ (t2990)
    UTG (t1540)
    UTG+1 (t1610)
    MP1 (t870)
    Hero (t2200)
    MP3 (t1430)
    CO (t1510)
    Button (t740)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with , .
    UTG calls t20, 2 folds, Hero raises to t80, 4 folds, BB =#A500AF(Villain)/ raises to t240, UTG folds, Hero calls t160.

    Flop: (t510) , , (2 players)
    Villain bets t520, Hero calls t520.

    Turn: (t1550) (2 players)
    Villain bets t2230 (All-In), Hero folds.

    Final Pot: t3780

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. Villain wins t3780.

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    My guess would be that I should have raised after the flop to define my hand.

    I did, however, go on to do decently in the tournament, finishing 12th after this happened:

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (6 handed) converter

    Button (t32861)
    SB (t6653)
    BB (t13257)
    UTG (t17835)
    Hero (t13665)
    CO =#A500AF(Villain)/ (t39732)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with , .
    1 fold, Hero raises to t4800, CO =#A500AF(Villain)/ raises to t39657, 3 folds, Hero calls t8790 (All-In).

    Flop: (t53547) , , (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: (t53547) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t53547) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t53547

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Ah As (two pair, aces and twos).
    Villain has 8c 8s (full house, eights full of twos).
    Outcome: Villain wins t53547.

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    I have him on 3 possible hand's J/J A/Q A/K take your pick.

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    assuming no reads.

    pre-flop i would sometimes call and see if i can see a cheap flop. there is a good chance you will get paid well if you end up with a good hand (top pair with a good kicker is not allways good enough).

    if i am going to raise i prob make the same size raise as you did, if i am re-raised more than a min raise i will fold. Villain made a decent sized re-raise so i would now fold.

    on the flop. if checked to i would bet between 1/2 and full pot.

    i would not call 520. it makes the pot 1550 and leaves you with around 1500, you cannot call another bet or bet the turn without getting pot committed.

    KQs is a trouble hand which i do not think you should get too attatched to this early.

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    At 10/20 blinds, I'm limping preflop in hand one. No need to put in lots of chips on a weak hand, especially with a limper. See a flop and try to make a hand cheaply here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonchkid
    At 10/20 blinds, I'm limping preflop in hand one. No need to put in lots of chips on a weak hand, especially with a limper. See a flop and try to make a hand cheaply here.

    Well I suppose you would agree with a strat I like to use early on in tourney's, if there is a few limpers in front of me at 5/10 blinds Ill limp in with any hand and hope I flop a monster if I dont its easy to throw away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChieF
    Well I suppose you would agree with a strat I like to use early on in tourney's, if there is a few limpers in front of me at 5/10 blinds Ill limp in with any hand and hope I flop a monster if I dont its easy to throw away.
    Certainly, with such tremendous pot odds that is sound. Pulled it off earlier in a 1 table $10+1 with J8o that flopped two pair and a very nice pot. Was cruising to the money in that until AA gets cracked by KK on the turn against the player #2 in chips, crippling me.

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    first hands, probably limp or fold KQs that early in a SnG - definitely fold to a reraise.

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