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    Default High pocket pairs and overcards on the flop?

    Curious on how you guys generally play a hand like this for ex. NLHE pocket QQ or KK in EP, you make a decent sized raise pre flop and get 3 callers (2 behind you and one of the blinds). On the flop an overcard hits, and 2 of the same suit (for a possible 4 to a flush on the flop) You make a continuation bet of 2/3 the pot and 2 people behind you just call and the blind folds. What is your play if:

    #1. the turn is a blank
    #2 the river gives 3 of the same of the same suit?
    #3 Is a continuation bet the correct move in this situation?
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    How big was your PF raise to get 3 callers? 3-4XBB should chase most away.

    Regardless you have an overcard and flush draw. You at least need a probe bet to define where you stand. I would move to the higher side to reduce drawing odds. Problem here is that it only takes one caller to give all others right odds to draw.

    This is my final stab at the pot. You claim they called and the 3rd flush card hit. I am done putting money in this pot. Someone has paired his Ace, and there may be a flush out there.

    Check and make a decision based on the size of the bet that comes back to you. Against a single opponent I may fire again at the turn depending on my read on the player.

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    #1. the turn is a blank - continuation bet. try and force out the draws.
    #2 the river gives 3 of the same of the same suit? - place a smaller bet to see if you get raised by a suspected flush.

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    If I have KK and raise 4xbb and get three callers and the flop comes Axx.

    I'll assume someone has an Ace and I get away from it as cheaply possible and probably only make a small continuation bet and don't put anything more in if I encounter resistance.

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    When you are playing NLHE, tough situations such as these can cost you your entire stack if played incorrectly.

    If you are making a large preflop raise (like 3 or 4x BB) and still getting a large amount of callers, it is a good indication that your opponents are weak. As such, a continuation bet is definately in order. You cannot allow them to get a free card to draw out on you. A lot of times your opponents will not have the top pair. So a continuation is definately the right play.

    After getting callers is where it becomes more read-dependant. If you think your opponents will call with a wide range of hands, you should continue betting. If you think that their calls mean top pair, you should check and fold to a bet. Note that it is impossible to give a blanket answer, because your play will be vastly different against different opponents.

    If a 3rd of the suit falls on the river, you should check and call or fold depending upon the size of the pot. If it is a large pot and a small bet back to you call. If the reverse, you can probably fold. Note that it is still very read-dependant.

    Also remember, to win in the long run you don't have to (and won't) get it right every time. You just have to make the play that will be correct most of the time based on your opponent.

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    well theres 2 callers on the flop, so im assuming one of them has an ace and another is slow playing a set, either that or both have aces in their hand (remember that you were the one that raised preflop, and u where the one that bet the potsize on the flop, so unless these guys have an ace in their hand, there is no way there gonna call your bet on the flop).. so unless a K comes on the turn, im check-folding the turn.

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