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  1. #1
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    Default Weak holding in a family pot

    How would you guys play in this situation? No reads... just got moved to my third table of the tourney.


    NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM $5+$1 (real money), #1,521,705,170
    5+0.5 NL Holdem Multi Table Tournament, 27 Nov 2005 4:08 PM ET
    Seat 1: notagame2me ($1,475 in chips)
    Seat 2: jf2000 ($115 in chips)
    Seat 3: Harv17 ($3,000 in chips)
    Seat 4: henjo893 ($620 in chips)
    Seat 5: tomturtle ($2,295 in chips)
    Seat 6: pacman401 ($2,855 in chips)
    Seat 7: L337Dave ($2,835 in chips)
    Seat 8: atrandom ($1,535 in chips)
    Seat 9: kirstya ($1,740 in chips)
    Seat 10: PJofTheGame ($4,595 in chips)
    ANTES/BLINDS
    Harv17 posts blind ($15), henjo893 posts blind ($30).

    PRE-FLOP
    tomturtle folds, pacman401 folds, L337Dave folds, atrandom calls $30, kirstya folds, PJofTheGame calls $30, notagame2me calls $30, jf2000 calls $30, Harv17 calls $15, henjo893 checks.

    FLOP [board cards 3C,3H,10H ]
    Harv17 checks, henjo893 checks, atrandom bets $100, PJofTheGame bets $300, notagame2me folds, jf2000 calls $85 and is all-in, Harv17 folds, henjo893 folds, atrandom folds.

    TURN [board cards 3C,3H,10H,KS ]


    RIVER [board cards 3C,3H,10H,KS,8S ]


    SHOWDOWN
    PJofTheGame shows [ 9D,10D ]
    jf2000 shows [ 6H,QH ]
    PJofTheGame wins $230, PJofTheGame wins $435.
    SUMMARY
    Dealer: jf2000
    Pot: $665
    notagame2me, loses $30
    jf2000, loses $115
    Harv17, loses $30
    henjo893, loses $30
    tomturtle, loses $0
    pacman401, loses $0
    L337Dave, loses $0
    atrandom, loses $130
    kirstya, loses $0
    PJofTheGame, bets $330, collects $665, net $335
    -You may not know this, but poker is a game of incomplete information.

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    Lol... just had to share this one.

    NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM $5+$1 (real money), #1,521,752,806
    5+0.5 NL Holdem Multi Table Tournament, 27 Nov 2005 4:22 PM ET
    Seat 1: notagame2me ($1,415 in chips)
    Seat 2: boogyboat26 ($2,685 in chips)
    Seat 3: Harv17 ($2,870 in chips)
    Seat 4: henjo893 ($575 in chips)
    Seat 5: tomturtle ($3,090 in chips)
    Seat 6: pacman401 ($3,230 in chips)
    Seat 7: L337Dave ($2,760 in chips)
    Seat 8: atrandom ($870 in chips)
    Seat 9: xxking888 ($1,315 in chips)
    Seat 10: PJofTheGame ($3,960 in chips)
    ANTES/BLINDS
    Harv17 posts blind ($25), henjo893 posts blind ($50).

    PRE-FLOP
    tomturtle calls $50, pacman401 folds, L337Dave folds, atrandom folds, xxking888 calls $50, PJofTheGame calls $50, notagame2me folds, boogyboat26 calls $50, Harv17 calls $25, henjo893 checks.

    FLOP [board cards 5H,7H,2H ]
    Harv17 checks, henjo893 checks, tomturtle bets $325, xxking888 folds, PJofTheGame bets $900, boogyboat26 folds, Harv17 folds, henjo893 folds, tomturtle calls $575.

    TURN [board cards 5H,7H,2H,7C ]
    tomturtle checks, PJofTheGame bets $1,400, tomturtle calls $1,400.

    RIVER [board cards 5H,7H,2H,7C,3H ]
    tomturtle bets $740 and is all-in, PJofTheGame calls $740.

    SHOWDOWN
    tomturtle shows [ AH,7S ]
    PJofTheGame shows [ 4H,6H ]
    PJofTheGame wins $6,380.
    SUMMARY
    Dealer: boogyboat26
    Pot: $6,380
    notagame2me, loses $0
    boogyboat26, loses $50
    Harv17, loses $50
    henjo893, loses $50
    tomturtle, loses $3,090
    pacman401, loses $0
    L337Dave, loses $0
    atrandom, loses $0
    xxking888, loses $50
    PJofTheGame, bets $3,090, collects $6,380, net $3,290
    -You may not know this, but poker is a game of incomplete information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ of TheGame
    How would you guys play in this situation? No reads... just got moved to my third table of the tourney.

    PJofTheGame shows [ 9D,10D ]
    Pre-flop - Fold

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ of TheGame
    Lol... just had to share this one.

    RIVER [board cards 5H,7H,2H,7C,3H ]
    tomturtle bets $740 and is all-in, PJofTheGame calls $740.

    SHOWDOWN
    tomturtle shows [ AH,7S ]
    PJofTheGame shows [ 4H,6H ]
    PJofTheGame wins $6,380.
    Another pre-flop fold - nice suck out! What if that was the 9h instead of the 3? which is why it should have been a pre-flop fold! Luck is certainly part of the game - congrads!

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    LOVE IT! And play these preflop if you can cheap: Different Tourny style: Limp and Go. (my oft linked thread) My VPIP in MTT's is usually around 35%, so playing 9Ts and 64s are good ideas IMHO if you can get in cheaply (<5% of your stack, preferably <2%), Not ust any crap, but hands that are well associated with each other and are usually very live. 64s is an exceelent hand to see cheap and either lose a small pot or win a huge one.......
    Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.

    Luck is a Residue of Design.

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    I generally subscribe to your theory Marm, but on the 64 hand, he could have easily busted right there. If like Aces said a comes, he could fold the river, but he still lost a sizeable pot. It worked out for him which is good, and I think that comes into play with the strategy. You MUST get lucky early on with these hands.

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    Yes, with the fourth heart, he would have had to slow down... but the same would have happened if he had JTs and the baord had 4 hearts, he would have had to release it.....
    Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.

    Luck is a Residue of Design.

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    Love the play on both of them. You're a huge favorite when you hit the flush with the 64, so I don't mind you playing it so aggressively. Just cross your fingers that you're not up against a higher flush.

    On the river, definitely going to get every cent out of this hand. If a fourth heart comes up, I've got a tough decision to make.

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    The SF hand... the only danger is if he's holding a higher heart.

    There are 7 hearts in the deck (he holds 1, remember?) and only 5 of them win it for him. If I think my opponent is drawing to 5 outs, I'm going to do my best to get him to give me all his money. If he hits, fine... I'm doing WAY better on that hand then if I had AA, and I guarentee all of you would have been that agressive with AA if you were sure your opponent didn't have a made flush.

    The last issue... if I'm the chip leader in a tourney I'm looking to play as many pots as possible while it's still very cheap, since the chip lead here means nothing, but the opportunity to collect huge pots that get me closer to having an average stack at the final table is golden. I only think it's a poor idea when you play poorly with medium strenght holdings. The T9 hand is an example... losing a lot of chips with that kind of hand is what makes the usual fishy early chip leaders go broke. I'll play aggressively in those kind of spots... but I know it's dangerous, why I asked for advice on that hand.
    Last edited by PJ of TheGame; 11-28-2005 at 09:53 PM.

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