Does anybody fold to this initial flop bet? I'm screaming "set!" in my head, what else cold calls twice Pf and then Pots the flop?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) converter
saw flop|saw showdown
Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
UTG calls t20, 2 folds, MP2 calls t20, 1 fold, Button raises to t40, SB calls t30, Hero raises to t100, UTG folds, MP2 calls t80, Button calls t60, SB calls t60.
Flop: (t420) , , (4 players)
SB bets t400, Hero raises to t1000, MP2 folds, Button folds, SB raises to t1730, Hero calls t260 (All-In).
Turn: (t3410) (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: (t3410) (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: t3410
Main Pot: t2940 (t2940), between SB and Hero. > Pot won by SB (t2940).
Pot 2: t470 (t470), returned to SB.
Results in white below:
Hero has Ad As (one pair, aces).
SB has 3c 3h (three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: SB wins t3410.
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Thread: Fold AA here?
November 24th, 2005 #1
Fold AA here?Luck is a Residue of Design.
November 24th, 2005 #2
I can see how you could fold AA here. If your intuition is telling you to fold, you might want to. Think back to the way he played preflop, it screams small pocket pair. I would most likely make the play you did though, I can't blame you.
November 24th, 2005 #3
you pf raise is a bit weak for my taste. not knowing showdown, ill say most sets arnt gunna bet pot, even with the draws. id say A9, JT, or two diamonds.
now i look at result:
bastard he is playing that shit.
November 24th, 2005 #4
I couldn't really fold here, not just for your last 260...there was still a chance you were ahead, or could overtake...if he had two pair etc.
other guy didn't really do anything wrong tho, theres enough money in the pot thats worth calling a 60 raise (60 into 360 pot is only about 17%, and he's about 12% to flop a set)...i'm guessing you raised it 60 because you wanted ppl with poor hands to call...I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? for he wants to perish.
November 24th, 2005 #5
lol marm raise more preflop.
Unless you're folding to his flop bet, you gotta go broke there.“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann
November 24th, 2005 #6
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what is up with the donkey reraise PF?
November 24th, 2005 #7
OK, I knew it was a tpuch small, but I didn't realise it was THAT small... 150 make you guys happy? This was a $1 turbo, so I'm looking to score big here, or move onto another, I wasn't really in the mindset to close the deal PF, ie Giving up some short term EV in order to gain Longterm EV.
I asking about the initial flop bet, not the reraise, Does that bet smell so fishy to someone that they would consider folding it? I thought about it, but I knew the numbers at these games, that could mean anything.Luck is a Residue of Design.
November 24th, 2005 #8
on a 1$ if they are in the pot, they will call any raise! ppl limp early and then call an all in. talk about wierd players.
November 26th, 2005 #9
The SB's play is excellent, not a donkey play at all. He knows there's at least one big hand out, and if he can catch his set, he'll break that player.
He only needs to be getting about 8:1 on his money, and some of that is in the pot. Marm's reraise is way too small. With a big pair and a lot of action already preceding you, no matter what you reraise you're basically saying "I've got AA, KK, QQ, or AK". Any astute player with a small pair is looking to simply call the raise with the right odds to hit his set. If he misses, he check/folds, if he hits, he pops a big bet out there to get raised, and then jump all in.
Here's what I would do PF: There's already been quite a bit of action, so pop it up a huge amount ($250 -300 here) and see what happens. Whatever you do, just don't give your opponent the odds he needs to make this play (if you raise to $300, he needs to at least have his implied + expressed odds at 8:1, or $2400, to make this a +EV play).
BTW, when the blinds are small compared to stacks, I play every small pair as cheap as possible no matter your position. I will especially take a chance with a raise and reraise if the raises aren't very much and I'm getting my odds, because I know I'm nearly 100% to break that player if I hit my set.
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