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11-22-2005, 02:55 PM
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Your Thoughts on how I played this?
Hand Number 142012100
V Vega= $141.50
PureReKoP= $181.75 8/9(Spades)
Im in middle postion with 8/9 (Spades) 1 limper in front of me so I limp in,
Sb and BB call and check.
***Flop*** 2(S) J(S) 8(H)
Blinds checked and the limper bets 8$ into a 4$ Pot, I raise it to 24$ Sb and BB fold and he raises it to 40$ I just call.
***Turn*** 2(S) J(S) 8(H) 7(H)
Now he Bets 15$ into a 85$ PoT, I was thinking whats going on I cant put him on a hand he over bets pot reraises my raise and now bets to small into a big pot. I began to think he was on a higher flush draw then I was and that explained why he bet so little on turn. I call the turn bet.
***River*** 2(S) J(S) 8(H) 7(H) 9(H)
He instantly bets 30$ Im totally confused on what this guy has, I didnt think he had a set, I said to myself he either missed flush and has A/10 K/10 Q/10 spades or is on a total bluff.
I call his 30$ Bet on the river with my 2 pair, results below.
V Vega Showdown Show card: Pair
K K J 9 8
PureReKoP Showdown Show card: Two Pair
9 9 8 8 J
PureReKoP Wins $172
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11-22-2005, 03:40 PM
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looks ok.
I probably would have been all-in on the flop, but I lost playing these hands agressively.
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11-22-2005, 11:01 PM
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Maybe it's because I'm not a cash game player, but on the flop, when he raised it to $40, I'd have a sick pit in my stomach thinking he'd hit a set of 2's. Frankly, because he just limped in, an overpair didn't even cross my mind. Of course, he could just as easily be on J8, or some kind of suited crap hand like 82s, or have something like QTs.
If he has a set, we're only 30% to win by the river (remember that little draw vs. set problem we did before? Same thing here). I'd have a hard time counting an 8 or 9 as an out (although obviously they end up being an out here) - I've got to figure that I'm just on the flush draw and that if the board pairs I'm in big trouble.
When he makes that weak bet on the turn, I've gotta think he's scared of the turn card. I smell weakness, and I think I'd raise this really hard and see if he's ready to go all the way. Of course, he does have a pair of kings, so he'll probably call off his last friggin cent no matter what the board shows.
When the nine falls it's both a blessing and a curse. Now there's 4 to a straight, a flush, and our two pair out there (J8 still has us beat, BTW). Can't really raise him, but gotta call whatever he bets.
I think I'd need a break after this hand.
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11-22-2005, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason75
I think I'd need a break after this hand.
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What did you mean by this, just take a break from playing to rethink hand?
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11-22-2005, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason75
Maybe it's because I'm not a cash game player, but on the flop, when he raised it to $40, I'd have a sick pit in my stomach thinking he'd hit a set of 2's. Frankly, because he just limped in, an overpair didn't even cross my mind. Of course, he could just as easily be on J8, or some kind of suited crap hand like 82s, or have something like QTs.
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Oddly enough, as I was reading the flop and saw the $40 re-raise, the first hand I put him on was pocket AA or KK and a possible set was my second guess! Maybe because this is a NL game and because it's such a common move in NL tournaments!?!?
The turn bet was very confusing as was the river bet. How does a guy re-raise to $40 on the flop and then whimp in with $15 on the turn? Certainly not a logical move for KK which I was now surprised to see that my first guess was right! Fish play funny!
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11-23-2005, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ChieF
What did you mean by this, just take a break from playing to rethink hand?
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This hand is something of a roller coaster. Just would need to take a minute or two to reset my senses.
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11-23-2005, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Aces-o-8s
Oddly enough, as I was reading the flop and saw the $40 re-raise, the first hand I put him on was pocket AA or KK and a possible set was my second guess! Maybe because this is a NL game and because it's such a common move in NL tournaments!?!?
The turn bet was very confusing as was the river bet. How does a guy re-raise to $40 on the flop and then whimp in with $15 on the turn? Certainly not a logical move for KK which I was now surprised to see that my first guess was right! Fish play funny!
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In my opinion, limping or just calling and hitting a set is one of the most powerful plays in poker. Most players cannot get away from top pair, and it's so easy to break them (thus huge implied odds). In set vs. tp, they're drawing close to dead. In set vs PP, they only have a 10% chance to beat you.
Even if they have a flush or straight draw, they're only about 30% to win because you'll make your boat 15% of the time they hit, and you'll win the rest. Imagine if you knew you had AK vs. AQ every single time (70 to 30%) - you'd make a boatload!
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11-23-2005, 12:30 AM
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Yep it was not sure why he bet 30$ on river what was this guy thinking lol.
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11-23-2005, 12:37 AM
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Had to hear his bitching about how I sucked him out and that Im more fish the nemo, my response was " when you play kings the way you did your asking to get sucked out.
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11-23-2005, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ChieF
Had to hear his bitching about how I sucked him out and that Im more fish the nemo, my response was " when you play kings the way you did your asking to get sucked out.
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Chief, don't tap the aquarium (my new favorite saying from Phil Gordon's book). You'll upset the fishies, and they'll start to play better.
Do you want ego, or do you want their money? They can think I'm a moron all they like, and I'll help them think that way. I'll just be the moron with all the money at the end of the day.
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