Just wondering what other people would have done with this hand. Would you even have played this it in this position.



30/60 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 17539446) -
Table Table 66963 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: incision69 (795)
Seat 2: pacmanmc (1170)
Seat 3: J_T_P_H (980)
Seat 4: madison66 (655)
Seat 5: Jag9286 (658)
Seat 6: mexipol_31 (1205)
Seat 7: cambece (890)
Seat 9: boyCB (1647)
madison66 posts small blind (15)
Jag9286 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to cambece [ Kd, Jc ]
mexipol_31 calls (30)
cambece calls (30)
boyCB calls (30)
incision69 folds.
pacmanmc calls (30)
J_T_P_H folds.
madison66 folds.
Jag9286 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2h, Qd, Js ]
Jag9286 checks.
mexipol_31 checks.
cambece checks.
boyCB checks.
pacmanmc checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jd ]
Jag9286 checks.
mexipol_31 checks.
cambece checks.
boyCB bets (175)
pacmanmc folds.
Jag9286 folds.
mexipol_31 calls (175)
cambece calls (175)
** Dealing River ** : [ As ]
mexipol_31 checks.
cambece checks.
boyCB checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 690
Board: [ 2h Qd Js Jd As ]
incision69 balance 795, didn't bet (folded)
pacmanmc balance 1140, lost 30 (folded)
J_T_P_H balance 980, didn't bet (folded)
madison66 balance 640, lost 15 (folded)
Jag9286 balance 628, lost 30 (folded)
mexipol_31 balance 1000, lost 205 [ 5d Ad ] [ two pairs, aces and jacks -- Ad,As,Qd,Js,Jd ]
cambece balance 1375, bet 205, collected 690, net +485 [ Kd Jc ] [ three of a kind, jacks -- As,Kd,Jc,Js,Jd ]
boyCB balance 1442, lost 205 [ Td Ac ] [ two pairs, aces and jacks -- Ac,As,Qd,Js,Jd ]



Thanks
Cambece

THE ONLY THINGS I COULD SEE IS A BET ON THE FLOP WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU SOME ADDED INFO THAT MAY HAVE BEEN USEFULL WITH THE TEXTURE OF THE BOARD, A NICE CONTINUATION BET OF SAY TWO THIRDS OF THE POT AND THE SAME ON THE TURN ITS REALLY YOUR CHOICE AS TO CHECK WELL IF YOU HAD BET ON THE EITHER THE FLOP OR THE TURN YOU PROBABLY WOULD HAVE FELT MORE COMFORTABLE TO BET ON THE RIVER WHICH COULD HAVE MADE YOU MORE MONEY WHICH WINS/LOSSES DONT COUNT AT THE BUY IN COUNTER. AND GREAT HAND NICE JOB.

Don't listen to caps boy. Be very wary about starting with this hand UTG. Since you played it you should have reraised when you hit trips on the turn.

Kidd I don't mind the caps but no periods is driving me nuts.

Anyway Decoy, I guess that was what I was thinking too since anyone with AJ would have probably raised preflop and someone with QJ probably would have slow played it from the flop.

I think I crippled myself though since I already knew it was a bad idea playing this hand utg but I was running dry for awhile and hadn't seen face cards so I figured I had to at least call.

Anyway thanks for the info
Cambece

Don't feel the need to push when the chip stacks are rather balanced. However, if you catch those trips on the turn you need to make some money on them. Otherwise you took a big risk, got the reward cards, but didn't get reward money. You probably could have gotten at least 600 more chips and may have hit 1 or both of em for all-ins. If you did that you would be set for the tourney. I probably would have bet the 2/3-full pot.

I fold this one UTG every day of the week, and twice on sunday. Unless I'm so short I'm looking to push all in, then all the chips go in the middle.

But if you are going to play this hand (which again, I strongly disadvise), please raise it. This is not a speculative drawing hand, so by limping all you're doing is creating a small pot contested by a lot of players. A raise will often force out hands that dominate you, like AJ KQ, etc (obviously not AK), and some % of the time you'll take down the blinds (not that they're worth stealing). A raise also forces out the crap hands, and forces the other players to define their hands.

If you had raised it PF, then you could make a continuation/value bet (it's a mix of both because you'd have second pair but be backing up a PF raise) here on the flop, and probably take the pot down right here. Since you didn't raise before the flop, I probably don't bet the jacks for value (depends on the players yet to act, and if the players who have already checked are deceptive and likely to go for a check raise), and just check with 2 players to act behind me.

When I hit the trip jacks/good kicker against a board with a flush and straight draw, I'm not messing around. I bet at least the pot to take it down right there. If people want to draw out, I can't give them correct odds to do so. Note that if a diamond had come on the river, you'd have lost to the nut flush. The ace on the river is also a little bit of a scare card, because KT now has a straight, but I'm not really afraid of AJ here (because they had me beat on the turn anyway, and my aggressive bet would find that out).

In the end, you probably made more $ on this particular hand than I would, but I guarantee I lose a lot less when you do get beat. Over the long haul being aggressive is going to make more $ than fancy play.