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    Post HELP BEFORE I LOSE MY MIND !

    Ok here is three real life events that i need help understanding. I will now set the play up.
    A) You are under the gun at a tight table blinds are 400/800 in a tourney you have beaten over half the field. You are utg with K9spades raise doubling the blinds, guy next to you goes all in with his last 2800. you have 7000 more after the raise. Table all folds action back to you what do you do? note you just got moved to the table so no good reads on anyone yet. I called with better than 3-1 pot odds he shows AJ spades , i catch a K on the flop with one spade in there runner runner spade gives him the nut flush.

    B) Same table now chip crippled slightly from the prior hand on the button catch pocket tens one limper the rest of table folds sb and bb still to act what do you do? i raised 3 times the big blind essentially putting the limper all in sb and bb fold he has only 800 invested and another 1600 in chips he calls with j7 off suit. flop comes 8810 giving me the full house turn is blank and the river yes you guessed it the j.

    c) halfway through tourney you have 1200 in chips average chip stack 25-3000 utg with pocket 6's blinds are 100/200 what do you do?
    i went all in guy next to me calls with 89 spades flop comes qj10 giving him the straight then on the turn yes you guessed it the six river was blank.

    These events have happened to me in the last two days i should mention that these tourneys are live at the local casino and in A.B this is a 25$ rebuy tourney, in C. this is a 50$ no rebuy tourney. i hope i have given enough info to critique my plays and to offer some help and one last question do you think that the tourney buy in affects these types of plays? in other words if i stepped up a level would this be wise with these plays. i felt all were good plays IN C, i probably should have folded but my table image is that of a good conservative player. this is what prompted me to make this move oh and the guy who called in c said and i quote " I KNOW IM BEAT BUT I WILL CALL ANYWAYS" now he had about 8000 in chips. thanks for all the help. i am looking to either get away from poker or step up the game.

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    1. All you could have done was bet bigger preflop, but this guy was coming into the pot with that hand.

    2. Your details are wrong or the turn was not a blank. Otherwise you have 10's full and he has 2 pair jacks over 8's.

    3. I either raise to 4x which short stacks you if you felt the need to play low pockets or what I personally do is fold that crap.

    Fix #2, keep your play on #1, and fold #3 UTG when half-way through a tourney with a full table.

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    sorry about the #b the flop comes 885 turn is 8 river is j .

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Real DeCoy
    1. All you could have done was bet bigger preflop, but this guy was coming into the pot with that hand.

    2. Your details are wrong or the turn was not a blank. Otherwise you have 10's full and he has 2 pair jacks over 8's.

    3. I either raise to 4x which short stacks you if you felt the need to play low pockets or what I personally do is fold that crap.

    Fix #2, keep your play on #1, and fold #3 UTG when half-way through a tourney with a full table.

    you're advocating a minraise UTG with K9s? fold that 10 times out of 10

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    REALLY WASNT ADVOCATING IT JUST WONDERING IF IT WAS A GOOD HAND TO EVEN PLAY I FELT IT WAS GOOD HAND TO STEAL WITH WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO THERE ACTUALLY. BECAUSE AT THAT POINT I WAS EITHER CHIP LEADER OF SECOND SO THAT WAS THE PLAY. K9 SUITED IS NOW TAKEN OFF MY LIST OF STARTING HANDS AND STEALING HANDS LOL THANKS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slp
    you're advocating a minraise UTG with K9s? fold that 10 times out of 10

    Sorry, I would have folded that too. I was just saying if you're gonna play it thats how I would have.

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    A) Fold. Fold. And, oh yeah, Fold. I'm not saying I've never made a play like this before, but to do it requires a lot knowledge of the table. When you get to a new table, especially in a live tourney, you need at least a couple of hands to get some info before making plays (as opposed to just playing your cards), and a lot of info to make a steal with K9s UTG.

    Instead of just telling you what to do, let me ask you a set of questions:

    1) Had you looked around the table to see what the stack sizes were?
    2) When you got your hand, did you look around to see if anyone else was already looking at their cards? If so, did anyone give off a clear signal that they wanted to play, or clear signal that they were folding?
    3) When you got to the table, did you introduce yourself? Did you ask something like "how's it going over here guys?" to get some info?
    4) What did you think your probability of success was?
    5) What did you think you would do if raised?
    6) Did you call simply because of the pot odds, or did you take into account your position in the tourney, your chipstack, etc.?

    B) - Did you really think the limper was going to fold? This is just a draw out, and will happen about 30% of the time. You made a good play and got a bad result. It happens.

    C) All in is the right play. Again, right play, wrong result. The guy is an idiot for calling with 89s, but if it weren't for people like him, the prize pools on these things would be much smaller. Don't berate him, just stand up, shake his hand, say "nice hand", and walk away like a man.

    Think about the stuff I put under A.

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    jason thank you for the reply to answer your questions 1) yes 2)no 3)yes 4) about 80% to steal the blinds and i wasnt going much further with it5) which i must admit i did not consider my postion and just called for the pot odds all i could see was better than 3-1 thought 1200 more go for it. so there in lies a mistake because some of the story is a few hands after the tens i got AA won then AK and won but did not have any chips left for it to really matter at that point. Which i have a friend who plays the same tourneys and is always telling me to just play solid poker in the ladder stages but i always seem to want to go for the win and find myself finishing 4,5 when i could have won just by slowing my game down. so i will certainly look at that aspect and since tommorrow is another tourney day i can adjust it and see where it goes thanks again. very helpfull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherokeekiddd
    You are utg with K9spades raise doubling the blinds, guy next to you goes all in with his last 2800. you have 7000 more after the raise.
    Stillman?

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