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Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB checks.
Flop: (4.40 SB) , , (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.
Turn: (2.20 BB) (4 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls.
River: (4.20 BB) (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 6.20 BB
Results in white below:
BB has 9c 5c (two pair, tens and nines).
Hero has Jd Kh (straight, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.20 BB.
Ok, Heres my thinking.... First, I probably should have bet this flop, whoops, my bad. But on the turn, I hit my straight, but a boat is actually likely here. If I raise this turn, I can't really fold if I get 3 bet, but I'm at best looking at a chop. If hes bluffing, My raise will knock him out, and won't allow him to bluff the river. So I figure I'm calling for value here.... thoughts?
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Thread: Think this through...
November 18th, 2005 #1
Think this through...Luck is a Residue of Design.
November 18th, 2005 #2
i dont play lim, but i wouldnt put him on slow playing a set 2 Google Page Ranking or fh on the flop. himm cheking id say hes week on flop. him betting turn 99? T9? unlikely imoI get more ass than a toilet seat. All shapes/colors/sizes.
November 18th, 2005 #3
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November 18th, 2005 #4
Fold preflop. Raise turn. Raise river. WEAAAAAAAK“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann
November 18th, 2005 #5
OK, so you say raise... BUT.... what does that gain? I raise the turn, and hes gone, I lose a bet, He raises, I'm beat or chopping.
But yeah, raising the river, is probably +EV.Luck is a Residue of Design.
November 18th, 2005 #6
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your play and thinking are a little weak/tight
November 18th, 2005 #7
You're the last to bet on the flop and have an open ended str8 draw - you have to bet! If BB has something maybe he'll raise and you'll get some info and probably end up HU with the other two gone.
Had you bet the flop, I would expect the BB to check into you on the turn but since you didn't the BB leads out and you should raise. If you're worried about the FH now is the time to see if he has it or is still on a draw to a better hand than your MADE str8! Bear in mind, when I play Limit I like to try for a close on the turn unless I have the absolute nuts - then I'll try to wiggle out extra bets. But with this board I couldn't be sure I had the nuts (but would feel I probably had the best hand so far) and can not afford to give the BB a chance at a FH or an A high str8 with only a single bet - it has to be raised. If he folds, I lose one bet; if he calls I got the extra bet you were looking for on the river; if he re-raises, I'm capping. On the river if he leads out, I'm calling but if he checks into me I bet and call any re-raise.
With 2 pair, I think it less than 50% that he would re-raise your turn raise - if he can read a board at all, he has to see the str8 possibility. I think he would call to see the river and check-call on the sd.
November 19th, 2005 #8
I have to go with everybody else on this. I'm betting every street, and capping on the the turn and river if given a chance. There is a boat chance, but with the checks down on the flop, I wouldn't see it as likely. A check/raise on the flop might have given you a little more information but I would have called that then still bet/raised when I hit my str8.
Funny thing about this hand is you're worried about the boat, but not worried about it enough to fold because of it. I would have bet the flop, and if he bet into me on the turn raised him. If reraised I would have capped and wouldn't worried about the boat till I was bet into on the river...at that point I would have called down.
You were hoping for the str8, but any card that gave you the str8 also made a boat "Likely". So either you are a head or behind. Most people will bet out with trips on this flop because it's so str8 draw heavy...since they didn't they were either looking for a check/raise or didn't have anything, you won't know until you bet...
I know, I've been hammered for trying to get fancy at these levels with reads and what not...basically, it's ABC poker...bet for value and bet strong.Originally Posted by Jason75
November 19th, 2005 #9
I don't understand why you are worried about a boat from the BB, who got a free look at the flop. Even if he has a 10, he has a random kicker. I could see being a bit worried if it was a MP guy or somethihg since there is a lot of connectors out there, but BB involuntarily played the hand.
Either fold or call preflop - I don't like a raise with the UTG limper and a MP caller unless I know they are really poor players with high VPIPs.
Bet flop. Take it down now with K high.
Raise turn, since you didn't bet flop.
Raise river, since you didn't raise turn.
KJo behind two limpers is a pretty marginal hand, if you are going to play it at all you have to make sure you are aggressive enough to make money off of it if you hit.
November 19th, 2005 #10Originally Posted by Marm
He WILL call your turn raise if he has 10 / q / 9 and if he doesn't have any of those, he was just taking a stab at the pot and won't bet the river anyway! If he had nothing, he won't bet the river and will probably fold to a river bet. You HAVE to raise the turn.
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