I would value some genuine input on outs vs pot odds for computing whether to play the hand of fold. I know chip stacks and postion are a factor but just the basic math involved here. Lets say you have 9 outs a flush draw faced with all in and getting 3-1 on your money. what here say it was 5-1 say your heads up i mean i know this seems basic but im always finding myself changing my standards so to speak on these situations and often end up on the bad side of it thanks.

Originally Posted by cherokeekiddd

I would value some genuine input on outs vs pot odds for computing whether to play the hand of fold. I know chip stacks and postion are a factor but just the basic math involved here. Lets say you have 9 outs a flush draw faced with all in and getting 3-1 on your money. what here say it was 5-1 say your heads up i mean i know this seems basic but im always finding myself changing my standards so to speak on these situations and often end up on the bad side of it thanks.

Is this english? I'd be more than happy to answer your question, if only I knew what the heck you were talking about.

Yeah, I'm not big on being the grammar police, but there has been some aweful writing on the site today.

Originally Posted by cherokeekiddd

I would value some genuine input on outs vs pot odds for computing whether to play the hand of fold. I know chip stacks and postion are a factor but just the basic math involved here.

Well basically if the pot odds exceed the draw odds, you would be correct to call - or even raise depending on the hand. So if the pot odds were giving you 3:1 and your draw odds were 3:1 or less (like you'd get with 9 outs in a flush draw with a 2 card draw) you should call but if you were on a gutshot str8 draw (4 outs = 10.5:1 with one draw) and the pot is only giving you 8:1 you should not call.
Position, opponents, board texture and implied odds still have to figure in so the basics isn't going to be enough info in most cases. For example say you're in MP2 with an open-ended str8 draw ( in the pocket) with a board like and UTG (1st in) leads out with a bet. The pot is offering you 8:1 and with 8 outs you have draw odds of 4.7:1 with 2 others to follow - should you call? I hope you said no because although the pot odds exceeded the draw odds and the implied odds were positive, the lead bet came from a position that should have a strong starting hand pre-flop and the texture of the board screams flush! You don't have a hope in hell.
If you're really serious about learning the math, you're going to have to pick up a book and take the time to study it. You'll get a lot of advice in a forum post but most of it will be a) hand specific, b) very general or c) with the assumption you alreay know something about it so in all cases the replies will usually be brief. You're not going to get Harrington on Hold'em or Super System II from a post - you have to buy the book!

I have bought both books and read super system and i am about half way through harringtons book. in fact that is what prompted this question i was on the section of hand analysis and outs. so thanks i will keep studying thank you.