yah on flop i bet/raise, and when i hit it it bet/raise, and lose the big pot.

Originally Posted by Beavis68

Terrible.

lol !

when you were reraised i would just have called. he is not going to all-in you on the river since he is sure to have the winning hand and will try and extract. you may face a 500ish bet on the river, but thats better than being all-in (followed by all-out).

im pretty conservative though.

What a brutal situation. I hate these because I think we can overthink them. How do you get out of this situation once you make your flush? You don't, you're dead. Laying down the 2nd nut hand is a losing proposition, particularly to an opponent who didn't raise before PF in an unopened pot.

On the flop, you've got to ask yourself if this is the hand you want to make a stand with.

Pros: You've likely got 14 outs (9 hearts, 3 kings, 2 2's), your opponent is likely bluffing and you have the best hand (can't put him on the flush draw or an ace) or has a weak hand (top or middle pair/weak kicker?) that you'll outdraw 60% of the time by the river. If you go all in on the flop, you'll probably get him to lay it down about 50% of the time, and 50% of the time you'll be 60% to win (total of 80% win) even if you're behind right now.

Cons: You've got nothing really invested in this hand - you were going to lose your blind anyway with a crap hand like K2s. You've got an M of just under 20, plenty of ammo left to play a less volatile game plan. You have no idea what your opponent holds, you may even be drawing against the nut flush draw or a set (though I would put that in the "very unlikely" category).

If you do play the hand, you only need 2.2:1 odds to call on the flop and make your hand on the turn. Even with your opponent's overbet of the pot, you're getting 1.67:1 on your money, and your implied odds are much large than that (although normally for a flush draw the implied odds are much lower than for a straight draw because a flush is obvious).

Or, you could decide to take the pot down now and go all in.

Personally, the decision would come down to what I think of my opponent. If he's very aggressive, then I just call and hope to hit. If I think there's some folding equity here, I likely go all in.

But don't ever lay down the 2nd nut flush in this situation. If you always laid down the 2nd nut hand because you were afraid of the nuts, you wouldn't do very well.