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Old 11-14-2005, 06:09 AM
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Default When do you know your aces are cracked?

Basically, laying down a-a is still one of the hardest things for me to do right now. When do you know they're cracked?

Lets say for example, you have AA, you raise 6x the BB preflop in a 10 player cash game. One player calls, flop comes:

3-q-k rainbow

He bets to you about 10x the BB, you re-raise to 30x the BB, he calls. Turn comes a 2 putting a diamond draw... he bets again... are you dead?

When people continue to show strength with a board with little to no draws is it more likely they just have top pair? Possibly two pair? Any thoughts are appreciated!
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Old 11-14-2005, 09:07 AM
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Default Falling in Love With Aces

Just watched this hand whcih illustartes perfectly when I would throw aces away.

Once remedy has reraised, murpja must be putting him on AA or KK, and has then called.

As Remedy when reraising and getting called I would be thinking he may have a hand like KK, QQ, JJ and probably thinks I have AA.

Once he has reraised on the Q, I would think OK he's putting me on an overpair and reraising so he must have just hit trips. Remember he probably thinks you have AA when making that bet.

I am sure other people will say I am too tight and he could be doing it with either KK or AQ but I personally would not call in this situation.

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$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, November 14, 11:58:25 EDT 2005
Table Table 36791 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: masterchooch ( $79.95 )
Seat 4: garyNY398 ( $49 )
Seat 6: vling ( $50.30 )
Seat 8: remedy21 ( $48.80 )
Seat 9: WotaWaster1 ( $127.73 )
Seat 10: davido30 ( $68.95 )
Seat 3: appear ( $8.25 )
Seat 5: Switzerland ( $37.25 )
Seat 7: murpja ( $58 )
Seat 1: Big_Triss ( $50 )
vling posts small blind [$0.25].
murpja posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to WotaWaster1 [ 5c 6s ]
remedy21 calls [$0.50].
WotaWaster1 folds.
masterchooch folds.
appear folds.
garyNY398 folds.
Switzerland folds.
vling calls [$0.25].
murpja raises [$1.40].
remedy21 raises [$2.80].
vling folds.
murpja calls [$1.40].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 3s, 8h ]
murpja checks.
remedy21 bets [$4].
murpja calls [$4].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
murpja checks.
remedy21 bets [$8].
murpja raises [$16].
remedy21 is all-In [$33.50]
murpja calls [$25.50].
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
murpja shows [ Qd, Qh ] a full house, Queens full of eights.
remedy21 doesn't show [ As, Ac ] two pairs, aces and eights.
murpja wins $95.10 from the main pot with a full house, Queens full of eights.
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Old 11-15-2005, 01:40 AM
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sometimes I dread the fact I have pockets aces, its a pain to play in a cash game. You make a BIG raise preflop - big enough to deter some idiot playing K10 suited (hopefully), but big enough to hopefully get some action, your not really interested in winnning the blinds but you don't want to lose the hand to some muppet with 56 of spades. If the flop brings no Ace and your faced witha big bet what do you do?

I had this last night - AA Raised 8 x BB, called by one player and reraise by another so i reraise again, called by one and reraised again, so All in I go!! Called by one folded by another he has AQ suited and hits his flush. Idiot total idiot. AA is not very profitable for me, I'd rather limp in with 22 and hit trips on the turn you make more money with that hand.
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Old 11-15-2005, 04:44 AM
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Not knowing your opponent.....He bet into you which is strange but it is safe to say that he's got at least two pair maybe a set. How much did he bet on the turn?

I would lay this down.
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That's a tough one. Most good players would check if they had KK or QQ. So his bet right into you is a puzzling one.

Would he call your PF raise with KQ? I doubt he would have a pair JJ or lower. A player with AK (possibly AQ) might bet into you after the flop but I doubt he would call a reraise.

Would this guy call with K3 or Q3?

My guess is he had KQ and was playing aggressive. I'd be worried with my AA in this hand.
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