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  1. #1
    Poker Professional Eclipse86's Avatar
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    Default Was this the right play to do?

    Hand #9173939-14336 at West Fargo (No Limit Hold'em)
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    Started at 06/Nov/05 04:51:52

    bad knight is at seat 0 with $3.50.
    MagnusK is at seat 1 with $13.20.
    MrDeadwood is at seat 2 with $14.65.
    Eclipse2005 is at seat 3 with $60.85.
    acesfullofkin is at seat 4 with $24.85.
    --Mustang-- is at seat 5 with $14.55.
    WhoIsPhaedrus is at seat 6 with $25.95.
    Pookets419 is at seat 7 with $62.
    Floorfiller is at seat 8 with $36.85.
    The button is at seat 3.

    acesfullofkin posts the small blind of $.10.
    --Mustang-- posts the big blind of $.25.

    bad knight: -- --
    MagnusK: -- --
    MrDeadwood: -- --
    Eclipse2005: 7s 7c
    acesfullofkin: -- --
    --Mustang--: -- --
    WhoIsPhaedrus: -- --
    Pookets419: -- --
    Floorfiller: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    WhoIsPhaedrus folds. Pookets419 folds. Floorfiller
    calls. bad knight calls. MagnusK folds.
    MrDeadwood calls. Eclipse2005 raises to $.95.
    acesfullofkin folds. --Mustang-- folds. Floorfiller
    folds. bad knight folds. MrDeadwood calls.

    Flop (board: 4h Kh 3s):

    MrDeadwood checks. Eclipse2005 bets $2.50.
    MrDeadwood calls.

    Turn (board: 4h Kh 3s 7d):

    MrDeadwood checks. Eclipse2005 checks.

    River (board: 4h Kh 3s 7d 8c):

    MrDeadwood bets $7.75. Eclipse2005 raises to $25.
    MrDeadwood goes all-in for $11.20. Eclipse2005 is
    returned $13.80 (uncalled).



    Showdown:

    Eclipse2005 shows 7s 7c.
    Eclipse2005 has 7s 7c Kh 7d 8c: three sevens.
    MrDeadwood shows Qh Qc.
    MrDeadwood has Qh Qc Kh 7d 8c: a pair of queens.


    Hand #9173939-14336 Summary:

    $1.50 is raked from a pot of $30.15.
    Eclipse2005 wins $28.65 with three sevens.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------


    i got him for all his money at the end... but just wondering if my flop/turn play was the right thing to do?

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    Preflop, I probably wouldn't have raised, but i supposed thats just me.

    Flop, since you raised, I would have definitely bet.

    Turn, I would have DEFINITELY bet...2 hearts on the board, and it feels like he's drawing. I bet.

    River is fine.

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    Obviously you're up against a really shitty opponent here. Slowplays his queens right to hell.

    You've got position on everyone, so why did you raise? If I thought I'd get a call from a chip donator (a really bad player), then I'd raise to thin the field and play heads up against one opponent whom I have position on. Otherwise I don't want to lose my chance to hit a set on the button against multiple opponents.

    So you get the call from the CO. I make the same play you do on the flop. My opponent checks, I think I likely have the best hand, so I value bet (not continuation) to take down the pot. When my opponent flat calls a large bet out of position, alarm bells start going off in my head.

    If he's a good player, he's either on a draw and thinks he can get a huge bet out of me if he hits (implied odds). If he's a weaker player, he's either on a draw or has a huge hand he's slowplaying (like a set of kings, 4's, 3's, or AA).

    But then fate delivers us our set on the turn. It will either make us a lot of money (against the smaller sets or AA), or break us (if he hits the draw or has that set of kings). So on the turn, I want to find out which it is (and force out any draws to beat me), so I bet out the pot again. You checked and allowed him a free card to beat you.

    Don't do that, or you'll find yourself telling a lot of "bad beat" stories.

    On the river, the 8 doesn't scare me, because he would have made his straight on the turn with a 56, which is the only plausible straight draw. No flush either, so I take him to war and hope he doesn't have the set of kings.

    Turns out he was looking for a cheap showdown with his QQ, which he couldn't get away from even with the overcard. When you checked on the turn, he probably thought his queens were good, so he comes out firing on the river and right into your set.

    He played the hand miserably, and I'm going to add him to my buddy list immediately.

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