On the button in a akward situation

**ChieF** · 11-09-2005

100NL table at paradise, Im on button with K/J bunch of limpers so I limp in

Rainbow flop, 10/Q/7 4 players all in before me, Im sure Im against atleast 2 sets at this point, I have to call 120$ to take down 570$ pot? What do you do?

My thinking at the time was with this many people allin that all 8 of my outs were most likely live and im going to hit this thing 32% of time so I think it was correct play, Im pretty sure Jason you could help me out on this.

Anyways I call and they flip up A/A 7/7 10/10 AND Q/10, I hit the 9 on the turn and river was a 6 and took down a massive pot for a 100Nl table.

Btw the idiot with A/A goes in 1st, doesnt he realize that nobody is going to call him unless they have him beat on the flop.

**Irexes** · 11-09-2005

Glory corner is down a couple.

**ChieF** · 11-09-2005

Originally Posted by Irexes

Glory corner is down a couple.

This isnt suppose 2 be inthe glory center I want to know if it was a mathically correct call and what other people would do in my situaion.

**Irexes** · 11-09-2005

In your situation I'd call and post it in Glory Corner.

**Antneye** · 11-09-2005

pot odds of 4.75 to 1. no implied odds to consider since everyone is all in.
8 outs with 47 cards remaining...39/8...4.875 to one.

marginal call assuming all your outs are live.

The other factor that probably tilts this towards bad is that with 3 sets out there (your read)...there is a likelihood of someone hitting full house some % of time which leaves you drawing dead.

Dont feel like doing the math any deeper, but I think this is -EV.

Congrats on hitting it though.

**ChieF** · 11-09-2005

Jason if u read this can you figure it out if its -EV or +Ev

**Method** · 11-09-2005

I'm not sure I would have called here, thinking either TPTK or AA was out there, meaning I have fewer live outs and even if I hit there is a decent chance someone will boat. Fortunately in this situation, practically every out that someone could have to draw to a full boat was dead.

IMO the specific scenario is even money (accounting for slim full boat potential, backdoor flush potential, and the backdoor strait to split with Mr. AA), and I wouldn't take even money when so much money is at stake. I wouldn't think I was even money here anyway, because you can't know that all but 3 outs for the combined FB draws are dead (I would assume there was probably 5 live FB outs, plus the slim runner-runner chance).

All that said, the call is certainly not a bad play.

**bonchkid** · 11-09-2005

Originally Posted by ChieF

Jason if u read this can you figure it out if its -EV or +Ev

My name isn't Jason, but I'll try.
First let's assume you put them on exactly the correct hand.(Afterall, you do have ESP)
Board: Tc 7d Qs
equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 01.8893 % [ 00.02 00.00 ] { AdAc }
Hand 2: 58.2996 % [ 00.58 00.00 ] { ThTd }
Hand 3: 09.3117 % [ 00.09 00.00 ] { QhTs }
Hand 4: 05.1282 % [ 00.05 00.00 ] { 7h7c }
Hand 5: 25.3711 % [ 00.25 00.00 ] { KhJc }

You win here 25% of the time.
You called 120+570(inthepot) =690.
25% of 690=172.5 I think
$172.5>$120 +EV

**ChieF** · 11-09-2005

Originally Posted by bonchkid

My name isn't Jason, but I'll try.
First let's assume you put them on exactly the correct hand.(Afterall, you do have ESP)
Board: Tc 7d Qs
equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 01.8893 % [ 00.02 00.00 ] { AdAc }
Hand 2: 58.2996 % [ 00.58 00.00 ] { ThTd }
Hand 3: 09.3117 % [ 00.09 00.00 ] { QhTs }
Hand 4: 05.1282 % [ 00.05 00.00 ] { 7h7c }
Hand 5: 25.3711 % [ 00.25 00.00 ] { KhJc }

You win here 25% of the time.
You called 120+570(inthepot) =690.
25% of 690=172.5 I think
$172.5>$120 +EV

Thanks but I didnt take down the whole pot, I coudnt cover 43$ of the pot so the 10/10 took the rest.

**Beavis68** · 11-09-2005

with two people having sets, that cuts down the odds of the boat. I would be too terribly suprised if someone had AQ.

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