I agree with whoever said #2 is the most clear cut.
#1, apparently I'm the only one thinking I have 10 outs? Like I said I go for the check-raise on the turn.
#3, Jeez 3 betting 88 from UTG+1 isn't my idea of a good time to isolate but seems to be the general consensus. I like what Marm says about "trying" to give others better odds to come along since you might like the flop 1 time in 5 at the most.
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Thread: Play these hands
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11-07-2005 #21
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11-07-2005 #22PokerForums God
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yeah, you are the only one thinking you have 10 outs.
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11-08-2005 #23Check Raiser
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Where do you get 10? T's are 4 clean outs, you have two backdoor draws for maybe another 1 1/2... and two undercards to the K on the board, which is probably worth one more out tops.
If you assume your opponent doesn't have a King, which he may not, then you're in much better shape... but it's a small pot and you have a weak draw that may be VERY weak.-You may not know this, but poker is a game of incomplete information.
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11-08-2005 #24
heads up vs a late middle position open raiser I would count the 9 and J as good outs.
In these situations I pretend the King is not on the board. The raiser is going to bet no matter what he has in this spot.Read my musings on poker and life at Online Poker Examiner, Poker Examiner, PokerNewsBoy.com, and My Poker Blog
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11-08-2005 #25PokerForums God
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Couldn't have AJ, KQ, JT ,QJ, KJ?
I would say they are partial outs, no way you can give them full out strenght.
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11-08-2005 #26
He could also have A3, 9T, AQ, K5s. I have 4 clean outs to a straight, 4 to an open ended straight draw, 10 to a flush draw, and 6 to a pair.
lets assume that my pair outs are 3, 4 to a gutshot, and 2 for my runners. thats 9 outs plus If he doesn't have a King my check-raise on the turn is going to win this pot, in my mind my check-raise bluff on the turn will have a 30-50% success rate.
this in my mind is not a small pot 4.5sb pre-flop, 2sb flop, and 1bb on the turn with my check-raise. I'm basically risking 1sb on the flop to win 7.5sb's. These are the pots you need to win in a tight game: taking pots away from possible blind stealers.
In the actual hand (a 20/40 live game) a 4 came on the turn and I check-raised and he folded. I have played with this guy quite a bit and he said , "your king is good" and flashed me A7. I told him I had K9, hehe.Read my musings on poker and life at Online Poker Examiner, Poker Examiner, PokerNewsBoy.com, and My Poker Blog
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11-09-2005 #27Check Raiser
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Okay Steve-O... not too many of us play 20/40 tight games. Heck, I rarely wind up in a game with less then 40-50% to the flop.

I stopped check/raising to try and win pots at 1/2 and 2/4 ... I only use it for value nowadays. So I look at the hand as a pure "will you improve to best" problem. Thank you for the lesson in thinking though... I wouldn't even have given that one a second glance.-You may not know this, but poker is a game of incomplete information.
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