PokerStars Game #2974680389: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/11/04 - 21:40:57 (ET)
Table 'Bitias IV' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: thecrozz ($22.55 in chips)
Seat 2: JstTrons ($14.65 in chips)
Seat 4: tommann49 ($7.50 in chips)
Seat 5: rkernsb ($2.70 in chips)
Seat 6: *Randomness* ($4.25 in chips)
Seat 7: Raver32 ($18.55 in chips)
Seat 8: donkinstreet ($8.10 in chips)
Seat 9: fudd022 ($3.05 in chips)
Seat 10: okyougosu ($4.35 in chips)
rkernsb: posts small blind $0.10
*Randomness*: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JstTrons [Ah Kc]
Raver32: folds
donkinstreet: folds
fudd022: folds
okyougosu: folds
thecrozz: calls $0.25
JstTrons: raises $0.25 to $0.50
tommann49: folds
rkernsb: folds
*Randomness*: folds
thecrozz: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [8c Ks 4s]
thecrozz: bets $0.25
JstTrons: raises $0.25 to $0.50
thecrozz: raises $0.25 to $0.75
JstTrons: raises $0.25 to $1
Betting is capped
thecrozz: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [8c Ks 4s] [5h]
thecrozz: checks
JstTrons: bets $0.50
thecrozz: folds
JstTrons collected $3.20 from pot
JstTrons: doesn't show hand
benny124 joins the table at seat #3
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.35 | Rake $0.15
Board [8c Ks 4s 5h]
Seat 1: thecrozz folded on the Turn
Seat 2: JstTrons collected ($3.20)
Seat 4: tommann49 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: rkernsb (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: *Randomness* (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Raver32 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: donkinstreet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: fudd022 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: okyougosu folded before Flop (didn't bet)

This hand kind of confused me. After the cap on the flop (which I'm not sure was the best move) I was ready to fold to a bet on the turn...

I was new to the table so I had no reads. The more I think about it, the more I think I may have been beaten...opinions that aren't based on results please.

I think capping is fine, and folding to a bet on the turn would have been horrendous.

EDIT: I probably wouldn't keep capping it on the turn and river if it had come to that, but definitely wouldn't fold at any time. I notice that when I raise and am then heads up, the other person in the pot will quite frequently try to get cute. They expect a continuation bet, and if you miss your draw and get raised they hope to just scare you off with the raise. And it also isn't unusual for them to keep after it even when it doesn't work. Don't know why though.

Cap this flop, and at least 2 bet the turn, call the river (bet if he called/check the turn/river)

DO NOT FOLD THIS. Seeing a showdown is +EV.


EDIT: HAHAHA Guess you convinced him you were serious...

thecoss didn't pre-flop raise so pocket KK is unlikely. You have TPTK so capping flop is reasonable enough but I can see where you might be wondering about a set of 8s or 4s but that was nullified when he checked into you on the turn - woud you check a set after capping the flop? That only leaves 2 pair (suited 8-4, K-4 or K-8) and again would you check 2 pair after capping the flop? Doesn't add up - but if your not sure you have to at least check it down but not before betting out at least one more time - which you did! You still had 5 outs (4 if you credit thecross with one) so folding isn't good IMO.

What's wrong with capping the flop there? If I put in 4 bets on the flop, and my opponent is STILL raising the turn, then I will start thinking I may be beat and just call down. Just because your opponent bets at ya doesn't mean you're beat... it could mean middle pair or maniac (idiot) just as easily. If you routinely fold solid made hands like this to aggression, try calling down for a day... you'll be shocked how often a mediocre holding will be best after that kind of action. I know I'm usually pretty suprised when I call down a maniac with unimproved AK and beat his Q high in large pots... but it happens way more then the percentage you need it to for at least calling down to be profitable.