Originally Posted by Antneye

In these spots I am looking to make my move into an un-opened pot. Even 1 limper will deter me from making this move.

Although you were talking about my hand, I agree with your comment, and it's how I understand Harrington's point about inflection point play in the orange zone (which both I and my opponent were at the low end of). You need to make a move with less than stellar hands, but you're looking for spots to do so that present the least risk. To me that usually means unopened pots.

As for my move with my hand, I would have been more reluctant to take on a limper who had a smaller stack. When someone who should be in "all-in or fold" mode just limps, that sets off warning bells for me, and I would have stayed out of his way with AJ. But since this guy had an above-average stack for the tournament (one of the oddities of these tournaments is that almost all the players near the end have low Ms), I took his limp to mean what it represented: a marginal starting hand for his position. I was really surprised that he called because he could get away from this hand and save his chips either to tangle with a smaller stack than mine or to move in with better starting cards. I was wrong, it worked out for him, and that's just poker.

Originally Posted by Jason75

Word that, deme.

If you figure he started with 8k in chips, then there's 9650 in the pot and it's 7200 to call or just better than 1.3:1. So unless he's up against AA, KK, QQ, AK, or AQ, he's just about getting his odds to call.
You got your money in with the best of it, and he made a reasonable call. The rest was up to the cards, and he prevailed. C'est la vie.

My problem with this analysis is that, after a limper he will hold one of the hands you mentioned an overwhelming majority of the time. I don't suggest that his range is that tight, but perhaps something like 66+ AJo+ ATs+ KQs which is around 65/35. At 1.3:1 he needs to have 43.5% equity to call, for that he would need to put the OP on a range including 66+ A8s+ A9o+ K9s+ KTo+ QJs, thats a big stretch in my opinion.

Mack

Originally Posted by smackthepork

My problem with this analysis is that, after a limper he will hold one of the hands you mentioned an overwhelming majority of the time. I don't suggest that his range is that tight, but perhaps something like 66+ AJo+ ATs+ KQs which is around 65/35. At 1.3:1 he needs to have 43.5% equity to call, for that he would need to put the OP on a range including 66+ A8s+ A9o+ K9s+ KTo+ QJs, thats a big stretch in my opinion.

Mack

Mack - If our hero had a bigger M or this was a ring game, I'd agree with you. But with an M of 4, I would personally make this move from the BB with any two cards - even 72o. Steal situations don't get much better than this (well, I guess you could win in a walk). That pot represents a huge % of our hero's stack. Even if I get called pushing crap I likely won't be a huge underdog.

And of course if we know we'd make this play with any 2 cards, our opponent - if he's any good - has to know this as well and take it into account.

Even if you don't want to make these types of plays, you should be aware that other players (me for instance), will - and factor that into your game.