This is a situation where the hero picks up KQ -- a solid hand in a short-handed game, and hits the flop, nicely, making top pair with a king kicker. But against heavy multi-way action, should he lay it down? If so, when?

Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) , , (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, MP 3-bets, Button folds, SB folds, Hero caps, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (11 BB) (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP raises, Hero calls, UTG 3-bets, MP caps, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (23 BB) (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 26 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Qd Kc (one pair, queens).
UTG has 9h Qs (one pair, queens).
MP has Qc 7h (two pair, queens and sevens).
Outcome: MP wins 26 BB.

not exactly fond of the raise PF with KQ... there's 5 bets in the pot before you raise, now the first person to call your raise has 6-1 pot odds to call you, and more in implied odds, since if he calls almost everyone behind him will call with anything.. really no FE there, so i would rather see the flop for cheaper and see if i have a strong hand or something i can get rid of..

I still think it's a sound raise for pot equity reasons though. My KQ is way better than the average hand in a loose 1/2 limit game, so I should raise because it's +EV.

Right?

Originally Posted by eclinchy

I still think it's a sound raise for pot equity reasons though. My KQ is way better than the average hand in a loose 1/2 limit game, so I should raise because it's +EV.

Right?

Not IMO. I rarely raise with overcards from the blinds (in Limit games) - its just not worth it and gives up way too much info for a starting hand that still needs to be developed with the flop.
Not knowing anything about your opps and before checking the results, I tried to get a best guess on what was against your TP K-kicker. I put both UTG and MP onto trips or two pair until the river where UTG stopped raising and have him pegged at 2 pair.
I thinking I may have given it up with a check-fold on the turn given the hard betting by the other two and only a single pair - unless my read on both was aggressive and very loose - i.e. maniacs! With maniac you just don't know how far they'll go and with what - if anything and UTG with Q-9 kinda makes my point there!

you cant be sure you have the best hand, and even if you do you have a plurality not a majority when it comes to winning percentage... you're still probably gonna lose even though you are most likely to win... then again to each their own

Originally Posted by Av8tor009

you cant be sure you have the best hand, and even if you do you have a plurality not a majority when it comes to winning percentage... you're still probably gonna lose even though you are most likely to win... then again to each their own

What???

It would be nice if posters read their threads to see if they make sense before submitting them.

its limit... its going to stay 5-handed even if you raise