Originally Posted by Marm

Very new to the table, Hadnt even completed a round yet, so no reads. I like my PF, Flop and Turn play, but what are you guys doing on the river??
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With the Q making 4 to the str8 - I'm checking thru!

same here...

But I would have been a lot more agressive on turn...

If he already have it you stil have 10 outs!!

KJ

Well... looked at the result and I realize it was limit...

Good play on tunn I guess...

Check the river would have been better

KJ

Obviously a 9 is a worry, especially a hand like 98 (unlikely since you had 2 of the 8s) T9 or J9. The flush draw I wouldn't really consider, again unless he had something like or , actually those are real possibilities now that I think about it.

Heh, I snooped and saw the results...but anyway it depends alot on what your read is on this player. I think betting the set for value on the river is the right play, sure there is a chance you are beat and were in this situation however, I would think you would win at least 2/3 with your opponent just calling your river bet.

You being new to the table, I still think value betting the river is the best play, I would do it myself...but then again I am probably too predictable most of the time.

Originally Posted by Phytopath

Obviously a 9 is a worry, especially a hand like 98 (unlikely since you had 2 of the 8s) T9 or J9.

I just find it strange to bet out with 98 and T9. Even bad players realize you want more people in the hand with an eight out draw and betting out practically assures the BB will fold. There is two ways to play this with three people in the pot - slow until you hit your draw or fast trying to bully everyone out, with outs if you get played back with. It seems like if he wanted to do it slow you check/call. If he is trying to bully everyone out most people would checkraise. It seems like you would bet out with a made hand that you didn't mind playing headsup and didn't want to get checked around giving a free card to someone with a straight draw. Two pair seems most likely to me, but J9 would somewhat fit this which is why I wrote a qualifier in my original post on this.

I may be reading too much into this. I have a tendency to answer these posts assuming that the players are thinking careful players. I do this mostly because if you assume they are all idiots it is hard to analyze what is "correct" to do as you might as well just throw up your hands if you assume they are playing randomly. The guy already has shown that he is not that sophisticated because he cold called a single raise from the SB giving the BB 5:1 on his money and position on the SB. "Correct" play means you NEVER EVER do that. Hell the guy could have 89, 109 or QQ for that matter! But I still think value betting here is clearly "correct" in the long term.

Originally Posted by growlers

I just find it strange to bet out with 98 and T9. Even bad players realize you want more people in the hand with an eight out draw and betting out practically assures the BB will fold. There is two ways to play this with three people in the pot - slow until you hit your draw or fast trying to bully everyone out, with outs if you get played back with. It seems like if he wanted to do it slow you check/call. If he is trying to bully everyone out most people would checkraise. It seems like you would bet out with a made hand that you didn't mind playing headsup and didn't want to get checked around giving a free card to someone with a straight draw. Two pair seems most likely to me, but J9 would somewhat fit this which is why I wrote a qualifier in my original post on this.

I may be reading too much into this. I have a tendency to answer these posts assuming that the players are thinking careful players. I do this mostly because if you assume they are all idiots it is hard to analyze what is "correct" to do as you might as well just throw up your hands if you assume they are playing randomly. The guy already has shown that he is not that sophisticated because he cold called a single raise from the SB giving the BB 5:1 on his money and position on the SB. "Correct" play means you NEVER EVER do that. Hell the guy could have 89, 109 or QQ for that matter! But I still think value betting here is clearly "correct" in the long term.

Pre-flop I wouldn't ever play that hand in this situation, and I don't think that most good players would. He may have been putting Marm on a straight steal, who knows...a table as soft as Marm describes though, a decent player wouldn't really suspect that I suppose.

I don't think his play on the flop is bad however, if the BB isn't gonna call his bet he most likely isn't going to call Marm's bet either...a check raise in this spot would definately get the BB out. He had a big chunk of the flop and was probably trying to push Marm out when he came back over the top, I really don't know.

I do definately agree that the value bet on the river in a situation like this is the best play long run. 2 Pair, Top pair, most likely middle pairs and over-pairs will all pay you off nicely here.

He had

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