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  1. #1
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    Default AsQs NL - How am I doing?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (8 handed) converter

    CO ($816.05)
    Button ($723.15)
    SB ($506.55)
    Hero ($344.70)
    UTG ($415.50)
    UTG+1 ($533.55)
    MP1 ($534.40)
    MP2 ($598.50)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
    2 folds, MP1 calls $6, 2 folds, Button raises to $18, 1 fold, Hero calls $12, MP1 folds.

    Flop: ($45) , , (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $18, Hero calls $18.

    Turn: ($81) (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $18, Hero raises to $46, Button calls $28.

    River: ($173) (2 players)
    Hero bets $75, Button calls $75.

    Final Pot: $323



    I'm still new to NL remember... How are these bet sizes and plays?

    My thinking went as follows...

    PREFLOP: MP1 will probably call this as well and I am out of position for a reraise, so I call

    FLOP: Hmm I'm not looking bad... thinking of using the check/call check/call bet line...

    TURN: His bet seems weak... I'm thinking maybe he has a weak ace, strong jack, TT QQ KK. I think about it and if I have the best hand right now, I wouldn't mind having him fold a pair of jacks or a weak ace (ace folds here, right?) for all the times that he has picked up a draw on the board. So I raise it to $46 - is that amount too small? It's a little more than 1/2 the pot... maybe 2/3 pot?

    RIVER: Very doubtful he has me beat here. I don't think he has a flush or straight here. Standard value bet against a weaker ace... about 40% of the pot... good size... not too big if he has AK right? Also folding to any raise here.

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    Not a NL player so....

    Think you need to raise the flop for info, about 1/2-3/4 pot, not alot, but enough that you will now where you stand by his reaction.

    Turn, bet more, $60+.

    River maybe $120ish bet.

    Over all your thoughts look good.
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    I personally don't like the check-calling of the flop...I would've bet the flop, probably around 25. I like to bet a little more than 50% in these situations, just a personal thing. This way, when he calls, you know he has at least something. If you let him bet first, you can't put him on anything, as I'd take a stab at that pot with nothing anyways, if it was checked to me.

    I do, however, like the checkraise on the turn...knowing he called the checkraise, and that he also raise preflop and bet the flop, there are a bunch of prospective hands that could beat you. AK, AJ, JJ, A9, A8. I guess its possible that he has pocket 9's or 8's as well. Any of those hands are raisable on the button, depending on the player.

    In addition, the betting pattern could indicate QQ or A10 or A7, but you would have those hands beat.

    Your river bet is just about right...if he re-raises, you can still get out (which I would do), and it would probably induce a call by a second pair or Ax as there's alot invested in the pot already.

    My personal guess is that he has A10, because if I were him and I had trips or even top two pair, I'd be reraising on the river, as I wouldn't think you hit your flush.

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    Last edited by traz; 10-19-2005 at 04:19 PM.

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    he had ATo - nice call

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    Your play does seem very "limit-ish". This is no limit, which means at any time anyone can bet all of their chips. Now, that seems obvious, but wait until your opponent does something like reraise you all in when the jack hits on the turn. Now what do you do?

    My suggestions would be to make a sizable reraise in the BB (3x the previous raise at least up to All in). There's already a nice little pot going, you're out of position with a good hand, and have a very good chance of having your opponent dominated. Right now I have position, but won't after the flop so I like to end these types of hands before the flop if I can.

    After the flop (if I've just called), I don't like the check call with TPTK. The problem is that you're allowing him to drive the hand, and you're not charging him anything extra to draw out on you (if he has AJ, for instance). Make a 2/3 pot sized or larger raise here instead. It forces him to declare his hand - does he have AK, A9, or A8? NL is all about putting pressure on the other players to make bad decisions, and I want to apply that pressure here.

    Your turn raise is probably too small. Remember, include your call of his bet in the pot before you figure out the raise.

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    So you want me to lead into the PFR on the ace high flop? If he calls, what does that tell me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bboy
    So you want me to lead into the PFR on the ace high flop? If he calls, what does that tell me?
    First, I want you to reraise PF about 70% of the time or more. If you do call, then I want you to check raise, not check call. If you're at this table for a while, I definitely want you to lead out some % of the time as well to mix it up.

    If he calls, most of the time I fire away again on the turn, the other times I'm going to check raise on the turn. Of course, this is why I usually want to end these hands PF so I don't have to keep facing difficult decisions like this.
    Last edited by Jason75; 10-20-2005 at 03:18 PM.

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    I like mixing up the call/ reraise preflop here. What do you guys think happens if he leads the turn?
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    bboy, i play these situations exactly the way you did.
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