Live AA hand, think I played weak?

**growlers** · 10-18-2005

A little help please?
I post this because I felt like I played this hand much differently than I normally would play it, not sure why.

$3-6 limit hold'em, Alladin, no particular read on villian but table in general was pretty passive and awful.

Dealt to me UTG 9 handed:

I raise $3 to $6 to go, MP 1 cold calls (!), MP2 cold calls (!), button cold calls (!) and blinds complete. 6 to the flop.

Flop (pot $36):

I bet $3, MP1 calls, MP2 call, button raises to $6, blinds fold, my action???

I called, and the MP1 folded, MP2 called.

Turn: (pot $57):

My actions from here???

Thanks.

**triple-t** · 10-18-2005

My first instinct is to check-call to showdown. But let's evaluate his likely hands. I feel that he could have any pocket pair, Txs (This is kind of loose, but not unusual), or ATo-T6o (I don't think he'd play T5o-T2o without any straight possibilities.

Given the board, your AA, and his possibillities, you are 64% to win. Therefore betting or raising the turn are possibilities.

**Aces-o-8s** · 10-18-2005

Having had pocket AA and KK burned so often by slowplaying, I have taken Doyal Brunson's advice and settled for smaller pots vs larger loses so I would have re-raised on the flop (allows the button to cap) and usually try to close out on the Turn. If a re-raise on the flop ends it right there, then so be it - at least I wasn't going to get drawn out. On the Turn I'm either coming out a'huntin bear or check-raising with a vengence.

In your hand, you've got to figure the Button was feeling out just how committed your were to your lead out and with the 3rd 10 on the Turn the chances are slim he would have quads. I can't see laying this down but if he re-raises as I come out or on the check-raise, I would probably have to just check-call it down and take my lumps if he has the quads.

So what did you do?

**Marm** · 10-18-2005

I 3 bet this flop, and see what they do. Hopefully I can now isolate against the raiser. I'm calling a 4th bet from him, on odds alone. I think I would raise myself from LP if I thought the UTG bettor maybe playing AK aggressively, he may have the ten or another PP.

Turn I lead out again, Highly doubtful hes got a Ten now, and with the high boat right now, its gonna take a lot of raising to get me out of here. If he 2 bets, I'm 3 betting, basically for info, if he caps then, well then I'm check calling the river. But folding after that turn is NOT an option, especially at this game.

**growlers** · 10-18-2005

I won't post the results just yet, but my trepidation in the hand is not JUST that I raised UTG with AA and got 5 callers, which obviously makes it risky that someone has a 10.
I also didn't see much reason for the raise from him:
1) people might raise here because they are looking for a free card - but no flush draw or straight draw to do that with
2) or they think they have the best hand, say if they had the other flop card that came with the pair, but does he reailly have a 4??? Pocket pair? Seems like he would worried about the others having a 10.
3) or they have the 10, but why would he raise me on the flop since there are no flush or straight draws to get out? It seems like he would raise the turn. 10 with a bad kicker??

I was very surprised by the raise, which I think is why I got flustered (internally only

) and just called the raise, I would normally reraise. What cards do you put the guy on after the flop raise?

**Marm** · 10-18-2005

Originally Posted by growlers

What cards do you put the guy on after the flop raise?

Thats Why I 3 bet here, for info. You really can't put him on a hand if you think he thinks your doing a continuation bet. He may have any PP here, AK-AQ, or AT-T9, but I need to put some pressure on him to really know.

**nu2mdwst2** · 10-18-2005

bet out the turn, if he raises, check/call to showdown... then if he flips over something like 10-8 punch him in the face and try to steal his money

**Aces-o-8s** · 10-18-2005

Originally Posted by growlers

2) or they think they have the best hand, say if they had the other flop card that came with the pair, but does he reailly have a 4??? Pocket pair? Seems like he would worried about the others having a 10.

I was very surprised by the raise,

I am wondering what kind of read you had on this guy?

Far too many players can not see much further than their own hands and give fleeting attention to what the other guy may have - we call them fish! Others will try a steal with any paired flop - they may be maniacs or just very aggressive lions or eagles who have a read on you and will risk a re-raise to force a mistake. So I'm wondering why you were surprised - who was this masked man?

**growlers** · 10-18-2005

Originally Posted by Aces-o-8s

I am wondering what kind of read you had on this guy?

Far too many players can not see much further than their own hands and give fleeting attention to what the other guy may have - we call them fish! Others will try a steal with any paired flop - they may be maniacs or just very aggressive lions or eagles who have a read on you and will risk a re-raise to force a mistake. So I'm wondering why you were surprised - who was this masked man?

Good point. Well, to be honest I was 90% sure that the guy had a ten. I was very dismayed when 5 people called my UTG raise and the board flopped a high pair. If there was two suited cards,or two straight cards like it was 10/10/J,etc I would have considered it a possible attempted free card raise and reraised the flop but it was hard for me to believe with that board the guy didn't have a 10. With 5 RANDOM hands against you,let alone cold callers, the chance of a ten is pretty high. In fact, I called the flop raise only because I had pot odds to draw for an A.
If the third 10 hadn't hit the board I REALLY think I would have checked/folded the turn based on my read. When the third ten hit I decided the chance of him having a 10 was decreased enough for me to check/call it down.
The river was a blank, he bet, I called and he flipped over QQ so I took the pot.
So I'm a little bummed that I almost folded this were it not for a ten/A hitting the board. I will lecture as much as anybody that LIMIT (not talking NL) poker with a big pot is not so much about reads but pot odds, but I still almost folded based on my read. I am VERY aggressive when I play live unless it is a true drawing hand. I usually don't just call down a hand where I'm either way behind or way ahead down to showdown like this - usually either raise or fold. So this hand made me question my usual style since my calldown worked and I'm wondering if maybe I should be calling this down with no regrets?

**Marm** · 10-19-2005

I like the thinking, and I agree, I would have been check/folding to more aggression on the turn if the third ten didnt hit. Personally, I just would have been beating that info out of him with raises...

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