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    Default AJo in a limit MTT

    about 550 started, 54 paid, corrently 38 left, next step up in pair is at 36. Current payout is 2xBI, next is like 2.5x or so. First is a 100x+

    Limits are 1200/2400

    Blinds are 600/1200

    I have about 8k, table averages from 4-42k, tourney average around 20k.

    7 at my table. I am UTG+1, it is folded to me. I am new to the table, and I get AJo.

    How do you play it? Raise? What if you get reraise? How do you play various flops?
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    I really think you have to play this hand, and the only feasible move is to go all in.

    You have an M of 2.2, and since the table is shorthanded, your effective M is only 1.5. In another words... you don't have a much time left to make a move, and you once the next set of blinds wipes out almost half your stack, who cares even if you should succeed at getting a hand better than AJ? Doubling up then would just put you back to where you are now.

    Thus, you really have to play these cards, and given the blinds and your M, neither limping nor minimum raising makes any sense. Even a minimum raise puts 60% (4,800/8,000) of your chips in the middle of the table. How could you get away from that pot regardless of what cards fell? As a result, I think you have to push.

    Finally, I don't think the fact that you're "on the bubble" of the next payout bump would change my view. 1/2 of a BI isn't a lot of money (I'm assuming we're talking about some low-stakes online tournament and not a $10,000 WPT event), and so I wouldn't adjust my analysis just to ensure survival for a few more hands.

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    This is Limit


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    Quote Originally Posted by mxp2004
    I really think you have to play this hand, and the only feasible move is to go all in.

    You have an M of 2.2, and since the table is shorthanded, your effective M is only 1.5. In another words... you don't have a much time left to make a move, and you once the next set of blinds wipes out almost half your stack, who cares even if you should succeed at getting a hand better than AJ? Doubling up then would just put you back to where you are now.

    Thus, you really have to play these cards, and given the blinds and your M, neither limping nor minimum raising makes any sense. Even a minimum raise puts 60% (4,800/8,000) of your chips in the middle of the table. How could you get away from that pot regardless of what cards fell? As a result, I think you have to push.

    Finally, I don't think the fact that you're "on the bubble" of the next payout bump would change my view. 1/2 of a BI isn't a lot of money (I'm assuming we're talking about some low-stakes online tournament and not a $10,000 WPT event), and so I wouldn't adjust my analysis just to ensure survival for a few more hands.

    This would definitely be my play in NL.

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    Beav,

    I am not a limit player, but as you always say to me....if you arent going to play this hand, what are you going to play?

    You are in a low M situation. In no limit I am pushing.....With a limit game I am raising. If re-raised I am raising until its capped and hoping to get heads up. No matter what the flop I am pushing it all the way.

    But then again I do not play limit.

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    Sorry about the mix-up... I was focusing on your description of the problem, and I missed what you said in the title.

    I still think I would raise here and be prepared to go all the way with the hand.

    I don't like limping because (1) it's still almost 25% of your stack, thus leaving you with only 5,600 (out of which you'll have to post 3,600 in blinds within 3 hands); (2) even if everyone folds through the button, why give the blinds a cheap chance to hit a pair on you?; and (3) there's a reasonably good chance that AJ is the best hand at a short table.

    If you get re-raised, "so what" is my reaction? At that point the pot will be laying you at least 6.5:1 to call (and that assumes that everyone else has folded except you and the raiser). With AJ, it's not possible for you to be that big an underdog.

    So, I'd still go ahead and play this hand and play it aggressively. You don't have enough chips to play it passively or to wait on much stronger cards.

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    M is a funky thing in limit events, you can 'safely' play with M's under 10, since the nature of endstage LImit tournies is either capped, or check/call down, so 4-5 BB's can still win a hand without a showdown on the river.

    First, we gotta recognize the nature of the table, Is there still a yahoo or two that is playing everything and hitting? Or is it a table full of rocks as most tourny tables get at this stage. Are raises taking the blinds from EP?

    Actually I dont think it matters much, aside from knowing who called your raise here, which is what you should do. If its the Fish, you need hit a flop to continue betting. If its tight player who is only playing premium hands for 2 bets, then I wouldn't be pushing it too hard if we see the turn, board texture aside, but we gotta bet any flop since we need them to lay it down if we miss.

    If we get more than one caller PF, and we miss the flop, I would be hesitant to push this past a continuation bet on the flop.
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    Didn't really know these guys, new to the table. The tourney had been tight with fits of maniacs play every now and them.

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    You must play this hand!

    You are going to lose 3600 chips to blinds in 3 hands leaving you with 4400. If you are lucky enough to double up in the following 10 hands you are in a worse spot than you are now stack wise.

    There are only 6 hands you don't want to play against JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AK, AQ. Any other hand gives you a reasonable oppurtunity to win. If the tourney is tight like you say it is you should only get 1 caller/re-raiser, if you get 2 or 3 than you have a good opportunity to have a 20-25K+ stack if you win.

    I would raise it, and bet out on the flop regardless what hits. I basically want to be all-in on the flop or win the pot uncontested. Your poor position actually benefitsyou in this situation if you are first to act on the flop.
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    I think this is a very easy raise even when you are new to the table and with no one having any info on youthe gap effect will be a little larger so your fold equity increases.

    If you are reraised you might as well push the rest in and see all 5 cards.

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