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  1. #1
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    Default UTG+1 QQ in PS 20+2

    I have a little less than 10K, blinds 200-400 + 50a average is at 7,5K. 135 left and 81 paid.

    On the same orbit, when I was Button, UTG doubled the blind (BB was sitting out), I called with K10, flop 10-5-6 r, he checks, I bet 2400K, he calls and puts me all-in on the turn and I call and double too 13K.

    3 hands later, I raise 1200 with KQ, get 1 caller (the guy next to me) flop is rags of clubs, I bet 2000, he raises to 6000, I think and fold. I'm Down to 10K.

    Now I have played 2 hands in 5 hands and bet each flop, so I may seem loose. Dealt QQ UTG+1, I raise to 1200, 1 guy goes all-in for 800 total, and the BB calls (16k in chips).

    Flop : kk5r, BB checks, I bet 2400 (third time in a row I bet the flop), he min-raises to 4800. I call with 4k left.
    Turn 8: He puts me all-in and I call.
    River : 7.

    I'll post results later.

    I was expecting people to put a move on me, with QQ that was perfect, also with kk on the board, I don't expect the BB to have a K, finnaly he could have flopped a boat but... I was thinking about 88 to JJ. What do you think about my bet, call and call???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireball
    I have a little less than 10K, blinds 200-400 + 50a average is at 7,5K. 135 left and 81 paid.

    On the same orbit, when I was Button, UTG doubled the blind (BB was sitting out), I called with K10, flop 10-5-6 r, he checks, I bet 2400K, he calls and puts me all-in on the turn and I call and double too 13K.

    3 hands later, I raise 1200 with KQ, get 1 caller (the guy next to me) flop is rags of clubs, I bet 2000, he raises to 6000, I think and fold. I'm Down to 10K.

    Now I have played 2 hands in 5 hands and bet each flop, so I may seem loose. Dealt QQ UTG+1, I raise to 1200, 1 guy goes all-in for 800 total, and the BB calls (16k in chips).

    Flop : kk5r, BB checks, I bet 2400 (third time in a row I bet the flop), he min-raises to 4800. I call with 4k left.
    Should have moved all-in instead of calling. 8000 in the side pot and you have 4000 left... You are pot committed. Might as well push if you would call an all-in from him... This gives him the chance to fold. Let me guess... He was playing AA?
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    I agree with Triple-t, once you're in this situation you're either going to throw down the Q's or go all in. To me the min raise could mean either that it's a bluff reraise (see these so often online), or that he's trying to price you in (or get you to go all in). Tough to tell.

    On the flop I either would have seen if he'd check the pot down with me (cooperation play) or go all in on the flop (stop and go). Normally, the point of a bet is to define my hand, and the other player is saying he's got a better one. But our problem here is that our bet almost certainly makes us pot committed, because if we fold we only have about 6000 left for an M of just over 5.

    In fact, if we look at our M pre flop (about 9), we should have almost certainly gone all in rather than just make a normal raise.

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    Blinds are 200-400, and I had 10k before the hand. I think my M is 25 (10 000 / 400)???

    The average is still at 7500, so if I fold after my 2,4 k bet, I still have 6.4k, which is not bad.

    I took the gamble to get to 20 k, if he is bluffing, he will likely bluff the turn to put me all-in but will fold to my re-raise all-in. If he is not bluffing, we will go all-in either way, so just calling makes me get more money if he is bluffing. the only thing that could go wrong is if he bluffs with Ace high and an ace hit the turn...

    Anyway, I thought that it was worth the gamble, being in the top 20 with 130 players left would have give me enough chips to steal lots of blinds...

    Unfortunately, he had a ***** K5o, i was a little pissed off but that's poker. I t was the second time in a tourney that someone flopped trips against my QQ. Other time was A4 with 844 (at least he was a small stack).

    What do you think about this... I wanted to gamble to have lots of chips when the bubble comes to take blinds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireball
    Blinds are 200-400, and I had 10k before the hand. I think my M is 25 (10 000 / 400)???
    Your M is about 9.5. To figure out M, take the total in antes you'll pay for 1 full round, add in the small blind and the big blind. (50*9 + 200 + 400) = 1050
    Then divide your stack by that number (10000 / 1050 = 9.5)
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    min raise=scary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireball
    What do you think about this... I wanted to gamble to have lots of chips when the bubble comes to take blinds...
    I think you should have gone all in PF. The starting pot of 1100 represents 10% of your chipstack - I wouldn't be upset if I won it uncontested with Queens (after all, you see what can happen when someone calls in with A-small or K-small). With Aces or Kings at a full table, maybe I try and get cute here with a 3x bb raise, but not really with Queens.

    Of course, if someone calls against my queens, I'm not upset either - even if they draw out on me, I mean, I'm at least 70% to win PF against any Ace other than AK (and 55% there), any King, or any smaller pair (82%).

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