MAJOR tournament decision... WWYD?

**cF00** · 10-10-2005

4th hour of tournament... final two tables... 13 left.

Im like 3rd chip leader with just over 100k

I pick up

I make a bet to steal the blinds... 3x BB which was 12k I believe.

all fold but one...

FLOP:

I make pot sized bet to shut down play... he raised me 2x... I call

TURN:
pointless card... I think it was a deuce... either way there were no straight draws

I check and he bets another 10k....
Calling this bet would leave me with only 13k or so in chips basically crippling me.
My choices at this point I believe were all in or fold...

So I think, do I wanna die with this hand?
Do I wanna hold on to my last 24k in chips and work my way to the final table for a decent payout.

Winning this hand would put me in significant chip lead...

Fold or not?

**Antneye** · 10-10-2005

Higher pocket pair would have re-raised you pre-flop.

no one who called your raise would have caught 2 pair.

Biggest risk to you is a set of 6's or a set of 3's....very possible with the call of your raise, but not a re-raise pf.

I am pushing here.

Folding this hand leaves you crippled anyway....M of about 6 if I am reading this correctly....blinds of about 4K with a stack of 24K.

His raise on the flop tells you he has something, but you are not necessarily beat...he may have felt you missed the flop and were trying to steal the pot.

Your check on the turn invited him to bet out and he did...it doesnt tell me he is real strong. theres about 100k (If i read correctly) in this pot and he bet 10K? very weak bet....PUSH!

**Pok 7's** · 10-10-2005

Without knowing your position (dosen't sound like you were on the button or in CO) personally I wouldn't have raised here with players behind me, A9 isn't that strong of a hand to raise early or mid position with. I also would've folded after the reraise post flop, if someones calling PF raise and reraising after the flop I'd be concerned about a bigger pocket pair. Reality is anything better than wired 10's has you beat already. At best you're hoping to catch an ace for 2 pair or another 9 wich is a very slim chance, and if he's playing something like AA you're done if you do catch your ace.

**cF00** · 10-10-2005

OK I folded in order to hold onto my chips

The bastard actually showed his cards and turned over a 9 Jack...

I damn near had a heart attack hehe

In fact it put me on tilt enough that I went all in pre flop without the best of hands and was called and out drawn...

Thinking back I immediately realized that I was pot vested and it probably ranks as the worst lay down of my tournament career hehe.

took me a little bit to go to sleep that night heh

**Marm** · 10-10-2005

Weak tight weak tight weak tight.

You gave this hand away.

TPTK is (IMHO) A pot reraise here on the flop, Given I'm assuming your in LP, and you made an obvious steal bet, and then it looks like your trying to steak again, his raise is just a steal reraise. Bet it big now. CALLED??? You might as well have laid your cards on the table and said here, you pick. Unless of course you knew he would raise with a weaker hand trying to steal it, and your TPTK stand to be good here, I have trouble seeing anything but a smaller set not raising you PF, and you wanted him to invest more on the turn, but thats way too risky in my mind.

weak weak weak. Its not really that hard of a move, just take it on the flop on the thrid bet. Your hand stands to be best here on the flop, take it then, And given the size of the pot on the flop, You might as well be pushing.....

**Pok 7's** · 10-10-2005

Marm I'm interested in your take on this because maybe I can be earning more in my sessions, Going off his post it sounds like he had players behind him after his pre flop raise. Is betting TPTK and pressing it hard here really the best play, perhaps my timing is horrible but I try moves like this from time to time and get busted. Just wondering.

Originally Posted by Marm

Weak tight weak tight weak tight.

You gave this hand away.

TPTK is (IMHO) A pot reraise here on the flop, Given I'm assuming your in LP, and you made an obvious steal bet, and then it looks like your trying to steak again, his raise is just a steal reraise. Bet it big now. CALLED??? You might as well have laid your cards on the table and said here, you pick. Unless of course you knew he would raise with a weaker hand trying to steal it, and your TPTK stand to be good here, I have trouble seeing anything but a smaller set not raising you PF, and you wanted him to invest more on the turn, but thats way too risky in my mind.

weak weak weak. Its not really that hard of a move, just take it on the flop on the thrid bet. Your hand stands to be best here on the flop, take it then, And given the size of the pot on the flop, You might as well be pushing.....

**Marm** · 10-10-2005

Well its late, and people dont like to take marginal hands too far this late, so I'm thinking an overt show of aggression will end this on the flop, after we take some of his chips. I'd be happy with the pot as is. Secondly, he's making a steal bet, I'm thinking from LMP on, so maybe he got the button with him since hes first to act the rest of the hand.

Anyways, I'm thinking we're ahead here, anything thats probably got A9s beat, aside from pairs under 9, will reraise here PF. I'm like 85% sure we're ahead here, so I'm not going to give them the chance to draw out on me, and finish the hand now.

I'm not looking to win more $ here, I'm looking to win this pot and move on to the next.
But yeah, more details in the original post would help......

**Beavis68** · 10-10-2005

I am not folding on the turn.

If you are going to fold, the place to do it is on his reraise. If you believe him, you fold. If you dont. you set him all in.

I don't call, then fold and leave myself 6bbs. That turn raise was terrible too. pot has to be huge and you bet 10k?

**cF00** · 10-10-2005

yea the call on his post flop raise was a bad choice.

I didnt bet the 10k on the turn... he did and its what made me fold.

I think your right, I should have re-raise after his raise on the flop. Timid playing on my part.
While I am getting solid on the odds and statistics part of this game, my strategy is definitely lacking.

huge learning hand... bothers me even today since i know that taking that pot down secured me a top 3 payout.

**Jason75** · 10-10-2005

I just posted something similar in your last thread. Again, no position details!!! Wake up boy! Poker is all about position and you're not paying any attention to it (even if you think you are)!!

And this time, you don't even tell us how many chips the opponent has!! ARRG! DOUBLE ARRG!

You can't read hands and make these decisions without taking position and your opponent's chipstack into account! It's basically flying blind.

Now if you post one more tourney thread without giving us these details, I'm going to ask God (who's still mad at me for not believing in him) to have a little black cloud float over you wherever you go and zap you with lightining every time I click my mouse! (Wouldn't that be a great christmas gift? YOur own personal evil cloud you could control? I'm a marketing genius!)

Or maybe I'll calm myself down, but I think you get the point. The problem with your play is that you're not using the available information to understand your opponents.

What do I have, What does he have, What does he think I have. Repeat this every hand.

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