Getting AA all in preflop in any NL game is the best way you can play it. The board will almost always be scary etc. etc. and the EV of an AA all in against any hand is so great that it's very hard (im gonna say impossible) to play so well that you can get more value out of it.

Originally Posted by gder03

Iv always felt its a bad to push all in preflop. (im talking with 75-100bb @ nl cash game)

Obviously u can push real hard PF to try to get a person out, however in the situation im talking about, they usually call.

going all in pf is a winning strategy b/c your hand is favored, and u might get more action (at least @ low stakes tables).

my reason against is: once u go AI, u can only watch and see what developes.

go all in and u cant fold when the nasty board reads: QJT9 suited

here is a hand where we could have easily thrown it in preflop:

jabeck is at seat 5 with $37.30. UTG
gder03 is at seat 2 with $48.77. DEALER

gder03: Ad As

Pre-flop:

jabeck raises to $1.75. JasonD0807 folds. gder03
re-raises to $4.50. viperpatrol folds. Yorke333
folds. jabeck re-raises to $7.25. gder03 calls.

The way he plays this, he is trying to lure me into pumping as many chips in as he can get out of me.

So i put him on KK or QQ maybe JJ definatley not AK. AA is possible (but vary unlikely)

By calling i cut the betting off. and say to my self: if flop is KQJ i will assume im behind

Flop (board: 7d 9d 5c)

This is a gold mine if i read him corectly.

jabeck bets $15.25. gder03 goes all-in for $41.52.
jabeck goes all-in for $30.05. gder03 is returned $11.47 (uncalled).

River (board: 7d 9d 5c 8c 9c)

Showdown:

gder03 shows Ad As.
jabeck shows Qh Qs.

Now we did end up tossing it in. However i put the majority of the money in when i had alot more info.

Next time i fold AA post flop, ill post it here and babble about the play

Always get all your $ in against one opponent preflop with AA if you can. I mean, if I gave you even money odds and told you that you were going to win about 82% of the time, you'd be a crazy not to put in as much money as possible every time.

Of course you'll lose 18% of the time, but I think we have to ask ourselves what exactly are we looking for here? I mean, we're 82% to win most of the time (and better the rest)! Seems like the money we don't get paid off when we cap (the flop is just as likely to scare off your opponent from putting more $ in the pot, particularly when you hit a set of aces) is going to more than offset any $ we save when we do look like we're losing on the flop. This also denies us any ability to draw out on the turn or river, and we have to be 100% correct when we fold (what if he had TT, AK, or AQ and the board came JQK, and we put him on a big set and fold?) otherwise that's a further leak from our play.

Now, if you're talking putting everything you own on the line for one pull at 82%, maybe that's where I get off the boat as well, but my understanding is that you're playing small buy in NL ring games, so it seems to me that it's all about creating profitable situations and gettting your $ in the best ones. And bullets loaded against a guy who wants to put his whole chipstack in is one that I think qualifies as that situation.

I really think that believing you can play aces any better than the %'s is getting into the Fancy Play Syndrome area (which affects us all from time to time).

And if you're interested in the only time you fold aces preflop, get a copy of Slansky's NL Holdem Tourney Book for Advanced Players.

Originally Posted by gder03

Iv always felt its a bad to push all in preflop. (im talking with 75-100bb @ nl cash game)

Obviously u can push real hard PF to try to get a person out, however in the situation im talking about, they usually call.

going all in pf is a winning strategy b/c your hand is favored, and u might get more action (at least @ low stakes tables).

my reason against is: once u go AI, u can only watch and see what developes.

go all in and u cant fold when the nasty board reads: QJT9 suited

here is a hand where we could have easily thrown it in preflop:

jabeck is at seat 5 with $37.30. UTG
gder03 is at seat 2 with $48.77. DEALER

gder03: Ad As

Pre-flop:

jabeck raises to $1.75. JasonD0807 folds. gder03
re-raises to $4.50. viperpatrol folds. Yorke333
folds. jabeck re-raises to $7.25. gder03 calls.

The way he plays this, he is trying to lure me into pumping as many chips in as he can get out of me.

So i put him on KK or QQ maybe JJ definatley not AK. AA is possible (but vary unlikely)

By calling i cut the betting off. and say to my self: if flop is KQJ i will assume im behind

What about the people who play AK like this? Said villain may push this flop with AK, because so many people overvalue TPTK. You're then going to fold here? By waiting to see the flop you're letting him do 2 things: 1)see a free flop to improve his hand AND, most importantly, 2) allowing him to get away from a hand such as QQ, KK, JJ, when overcard(s) flop. Those 2 things being done, you are taking away your 85-15 edge over him. If he is willing to put all his money in preflop, there's no question on what you should be trying to get him to do: that!

one thing i run into is the table folding around me when i get something like pocket aces.

So the only players that are left would be the SB and BB and maybe one limper.

Now I know that all in will shut the pot down, but Ive got Aces and ive been gettin nickled and dimed to death and its time to get paid.... simply for survival.

What do i do?

Do I raise small and hope he calls?
go all in and kill the action 90% of the time...
get fancy?

Any ideas?