Example Lets say I raise 4BB in1st postion with J/J and Im raised 8Bbmore, I think Im beat by a over pair. My question is if the player has over 90bbs in his stack, em I getting the right odds to try and bust him with my 2 outer on the flop?

How do I calculate the odds also.

Thanks alot, I was in a spot earlier like this but his stack was only 70$ so I folded, woulda hit set on flop and bust him since he moved all in vs another player on flop.

are we assuming his had range is only QQ KK AA?

what percentage of the time are we saying he will put his stack in on the flop?

Originally Posted by bboy

are we assuming his had range is only QQ KK AA?

what percentage of the time are we saying he will put his stack in on the flop?

This is bodog poker, nobody will lay down JJ/QQ/KK/AA even with a over card to board.

he is going to but in 90BB with KK on an ace high flop?

Originally Posted by ChieF

Example Lets say I raise 4BB in1st postion with J/J and Im raised 8Bbmore, I think Im beat by a over pair. My question is if the player has over 90bbs in his stack, em I getting the right odds to try and bust him with my 2 outer on the flop?

How do I calculate the odds also.

Funny, I was just teaching this to someone last night.

Yes, you're getting your odds here. Here's the quick math when dealing with a small pot and large stacks - IGNORE the pot, and just multiply the bet in front of you (8 BB in this case to call) by 7 (you're a little worse than 7:1 to hit your set). If that number is equal to or smaller than both his stack and yours, you're getting the right implied odds, if it's larger than one or the other, you're not.

So here we have a Bet of 8 BB * 7 = 56 BB. Your opponent has 90 BB, so this is an easy one. But do you have at least 56 BB? Remember, you can only win what you put in the pot, so if you don't have enough to get paid off when you do hit, it's not worth it.

Bet * 7 > Opponent's Stack or Your Stack = Bad
Bet * 7 < Opponent's Stack and Your Stack = Good

Here's a quick hint when handling math at the table (in particular, a live table where you can't just whip out the calculator or have your poker program do it for you): Don't waste your time being too precise. Not because we don't care about precision - but I find that I make mental errors more often when I'm trying to be too precise with the numbers (the whole accuracy vs. precision argument, for you science & engineering geeks like me).

Originally Posted by triple-t

Well, if you have him on an overpair, your odds are about 7 to 1 that you will flop your set. I think a good baseline is that the pot plus however much of his stack you expect to win IF you flop your set need to be at least 7 times the call.

That's just the baseline... There's also the other risks, such as, he smells your set when you flop it... He has straight or flush redraws, he flops his set as well, etc. With those adjustments, I'd put the requirement of pot + implied odds at about 10 to 1. But that's just me.

These are important considerations ... and it seems to me everyone has a different risk/reward ratio. I personally like to see myself getting at least about 3-4/1 expressed odds. This usually involves at least 2-3 players, and don't make this move very often against only one (wonder if I'm too conservative and missing out here). I got booted right out of a tourney today by some jerkoff going in way against the odds heads up against me with pocket 2's when I had kings (and put in a huge reraise) - of course the flop is all low cards with one 2. LOL!