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    Poker Professional Pok 7's's Avatar
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    Just finished up a session and this was the last hand I played before folding a handfull after this. Button was playing mostly decent hands and MP1 was basically a calling station, there were a few things about this hand that had me concerned, 1 was he may have been 4 to a flush, which was more of a secondary concern. The other is when I get the feeling that the sucker straight is gonna lose I'm usually right and the other person has the higher one. I wasn't having a horrible session, just one of those times when even when you have a pretty good starting hand the flop goes completely against you. So how would you guys have played it? I feel like I probably laid down the best hand, granted there was a possibility of chopping it as well but being out of position here had me concerned.



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    MP1 ($1.23)
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    Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
    2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, Button calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero checks.

    Flop: ($0.07) , , (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.08, MP1 calls $0.08, Button raises to $0.9, Hero folds, MP1 folds.

    Final Pot: $1.13

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. Button wins $1.13.
    Last edited by Pok 7's; 10-03-2005 at 09:00 PM.
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    I put this guy on KQ (or another two pair), trying to drive out any flush/straight draws. With the second nut and a backdoor flush possible, I can't fold this.

    Then again, I am a limit player and that's a big raise for the stakes.

    Any other thoughts?


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    At that point..I would be using all the information I know to decide if, in late position, he would CALL with AJ or RAISE with AJ. Position is important...many people would raise AJ in late position I think.

    But besides that...I would probably reraise here. I can envision a bunch of hands where he might reraise your bet, but not have raised preflop. I find it probably that he's hit Q10 or a flush draw, or a straight draw with a pair, or something. He could have Q10, a flush or straight draw, maybe A10..maybe 910. So I reraise here. If he calls...I'm weary on the turn. If he misses a draw, I bet some more, and see how he plays it. If a flush card or straight card comes...I"m much more cautious.

    Personally, I'd come over the top strong with this hand. If he flopped the high straight, more power to him, I pay him off.

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    Bad fold, IMO. You can't always live in fear of the flush, and if he has AJ, unlucky me, I can't see how all my stack doesn't go in the middle after the reraise.
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    I would reraise all in here without even thinking for one second. If he has AJ he has AJ, but there are too many hands he could be betting that you are ahead of.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pok 7's
    Just finished up a session and this was the last hand I played before folding a handfull after this. Button was playing mostly decent hands and MP1 was basically a calling station, there were a few things about this hand that had me concerned, 1 was he may have been 4 to a flush, which was more of a secondary concern. The other is when I get the feeling that the sucker straight is gonna lose I'm usually right and the other person has the higher one. I wasn't having a horrible session, just one of those times when even when you have a pretty good starting hand the flop goes completely against you. So how would you guys have played it? I feel like I probably laid down the best hand, granted there was a possibility of chopping it as well but being out of position here had me concerned.



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    UTG ($5.41)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
    2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, Button calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero checks.

    Flop: ($0.07) , , (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.08, MP1 calls $0.08, Button raises to $0.9, Hero folds, MP1 folds.

    Final Pot: $1.13

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. Button wins $1.13.

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    Yeah I had a feeling I totally dropped the ball on this one, I burned up almost all my time bank thinking about pushing all in I guess it was just a bad state of mind at the time, I was playing tight apparently too tight.
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    Can't fold this.


    You have the runner, runner Royal draw.

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    Man... Thats tight!!!!

    This guy can have a shit load of hands... and honestly, if button was solid and flat call the calling station preflop, I doubt he have AJ.

    What hands could flat call and reraise like this on that flop.

    My guess!
    Ax under 10 of spade (11 outs)
    K-10 (4 outs)
    KQ (4 outs)
    QJ (4 outs)
    KJ (4 outs)
    Q-10 (4 outs)

    Probable
    AJ (DAM!!! 3 outs for you to split)
    A-10 (3 outs)
    sapde connectors (8 outs)

    would be heck of a surprise for me.. but we never know
    AA (3 outs)
    KK (7.5 outs)
    QQ (7.5 outs)
    JJ (4 outs)
    10-10 (7.5 outs)
    AK (3 outs)
    AQ (3 outs)
    Any other PP virtualy draw dead


    Most of the possible hands have less that 5 outs against you. So you have to raise unless you have a solid read he have AJ. And IMO you have to raise AJ too just to be sure he have it. We have 2 spades on board here, dont worry, he will reraise the Broadway.

    Just my 2 cents

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    I apprectate the input guys, I guess what really got me thinking was the raise to almost $1 which was the first time I saw him raise like that, even in other hands where he had played TPTK or 2 pair I never saw him fire back at a bet with such a big raise (compared to the stakes). I think this was the most aggressive play I saw him make at the table which was another thing that had me thinking. If he raised something samller like .25 or .50 (which I did see him do with some of the examples I mentioned) I probably would've played the hand out.
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    The over bet was intended to scare people away. He had a good, but vulnerable hand.

    If he had AJ he would have raised PF. You had come over top here big time.

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