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Stage #194545224: Holdem No Limit $0.05 [ 2005-09-27 06:10:07 ]
Seat 6 - TLAR2 $11.44 in chips
Seat 9 - NICEFLUSH $4.15 in chips
Seat 1 - BUSTIN $6.62 in chips
Seat 3 - GOLDDIAMOND $4 in chips
Seat 4 - CASICO $1.40 in chips
Seat 5 - PEANUTDEW $3.57 in chips
*** BLIND [dealer 6] ***
NICEFLUSH - Post small blind $0.05
BUSTIN - Post big blind $0.10
GOLDDIAMOND - Post $0.10
NICEFLUSH - Pocket [Ac,4c]
GOLDDIAMOND - Checks
CASICO - Calls $0.10
PEANUTDEW - Calls $0.10
TLAR2 - Folds
NICEFLUSH - Calls $0.05
BUSTIN - Checks
*** FLOP [9h,4s,Jh] ***
NICEFLUSH - Checks
BUSTIN - Checks
GOLDDIAMOND - Checks
CASICO - Bets $0.10
PEANUTDEW - Calls $0.10
NICEFLUSH - Calls $0.10
BUSTIN - Folds
GOLDDIAMOND - Folds
*** TURN [9h,4s,Jh,Ad] ***
NICEFLUSH - Checks
CASICO - Checks
PEANUTDEW - Bets $0.10
NICEFLUSH - Raises $0.10 to $0.20
CASICO - Folds
PEANUTDEW - Calls $0.10
*** RIVER [9h,4s,Jh,Ad,Jd] ***
NICEFLUSH - Bets $0.30
PEANUTDEW - Raises $0.30 to $0.60
NICEFLUSH - Folds
PEANUTDEW - returned ($0.30) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PEANUTDEW - Show cards [8c,8h]
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($1.80) Rake ($0.05)
Board [9h,4s,Jh,Ad,Jd]
BUSTIN - Folded on the FLOP
GOLDDIAMOND - Folded on the FLOP
CASICO - Folded on the TURN
PEANUTDEW - Total ($1.75) HI: ($1.75) Two pair, jacks and eights
TLAR2 - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
NICEFLUSH - Folded on the RIVER
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Only 1/5th of the pot more to call..I probably would have called

He made a nice bet though imo, bluffed you out nicely heh

Originally Posted by traz

Only 1/5th of the pot more to call..I probably would have called

He made a nice bet though imo, bluffed you out nicely heh

I know and after that I took about $8 from him over time. Realised he would try it again and so managed to catch one or two of his further bluffs.

You only have to have the best hand 1 out of nearly 6 times to make this a break even play. No flush, no straight possibilities - you're only losing to 2 hands - trip Jacks or a FH.

Why did you decide to fold (interested in your reasoning)?

I wouldn't have played this hand this way, wondering why you did. In particular, why the small raise on turn after you hit two pair? If I had top 2 I'd make this raise to sweeten the pot, but with top & bottom I'd make a big move to take the pot down right there. If it starts a big fight, then fine, let's go to war, but I think a strong move would take it down right there.

As I've said in other posts, I'm not a cash game player, and realize it's a whole other ballgame from NL Tourneys.

Jason

I hate that call on the flop. I have no problem with raising here, but flat calling doesn't do anything for you here, when you know you are behind. On the turn, please end your min raising. Put out a decent amount and take down the pot right there. Your bet on the river is pretty small according to the pot. I would have come out swinging on the river, and then it depends on his move.

really? With 3 overcards on the board (9, j, A), you don't think this guy would fold to a substantial raise? Because I do. And if he doesn't, take note that he's a fish and take his money from that point onwards.

Originally Posted by triple-t

A big raise on the turn wouldn't have caused this guy to fold. At lower limits, it's hard to get any PP to fold.

Well, could be he doesn't fold because of the way we've played this hand (I don't understand the call on the flop - I think we've got to raise as a semi-bluff or fold here - unless we're setting up a play against a good player to take the pot away on a later street - and he certainly doesn't seem like the type of player to make this play against). If he doesn't fold we'll just have to see what the river brings then. In this particular case I'd check/call on the river most of the time (the jack sucks - it's counterfeited my 4's and now I'm tied with any ace and losing to the big ones - AT-AK). I would bet if I thought he'd go all in after my check to steal the pot. But I would just be really uncomfortable with the information I had because of the way we've played this hand (it's hard to put him on trip jacks, but it's also not clear that he doesn't have trip jacks - this is what makes for a tough decision for us).

For me, the issue is that I'm going to make them pay to draw out on me (I can't just call this min bet on the turn and let him keep trying to draw off another heart - and certainly his play so far seems to indicate a draw), and I have to pay to get some information about what he holds. To avoid giving people the correct odds to draw I have to make a raise of at least 2/3 the pot (but could be all your chips), and not let them peel one off with a 1/6 pot bet.

Now of course, this guy just tries a post-oak bluff, and we fall for it, but he makes the mistake of showing the bluff and we cash in on it later (so all in all, we do get a positive value out of this hand).

Anyway, like I said, I'd play this hand differently (mostly by throwing it away on the flop), and I'm sure other folks would play it different from me.

Pretty passive table. Except for Peanutdew's raise on the river, I'd say all the bets showed weakness and were inviting someone to step in and steal. Had Peanutdew made an aggressive bet pf or on the flop I doubt there would have been a turn card.

Aces-0-8s