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    Default Value bet, or out right bluff?

    PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

    Preflop: Hero is CO with , . Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
    UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 raises, 1 fold, MP3 calls, Hero (poster) 3-bets, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

    Flop: (15.40 SB) , , (5 players)
    BB checks, UTG bets, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

    Turn: (9.20 BB) (3 players)
    BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

    River: (12.20 BB) (3 players)
    BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG folds.

    Final Pot: 13.20 BB

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Kc Ac (high card, ace).
    Outcome: Hero wins 13.20 BB.


    I couldn't believe this was checked/folded to me. The pot was $6.10, I honestly thought that somebody would call jst on the off chance I was bluffing, which is what I thought I was doing.

    After I got it to me, I started thinking that maybe the AK was a good hand. opinions?
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    check behind

    there are so few situations where you will value bet AK high and you don't need to worry about any of them at .25/.50 as players will rarely call with ace high.

    don't bluff this pot either. its too big. people are getting 12:1 on a call and will most likely call with any piece.

    this bet you made is probably unnecessary. i doubt you folded any better hands and you would have probably taken down the pot had you just checked behind.

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    well... weird hand...

    I would have played it a very different way, but what can I say you won.

    1st, I would have raise the flop to know if my oponent hit or is on a draw (and BTW, they may fold if you raise... I mean you 3-bets PF) Probably UTG would have call telling me he is on 2 over and comfirming I have the best hand. If he reraise, I fold and save the BB on turn and it cost only a SB.

    Then I would have bet the turn. (assuming both my opponent(s) check(s)) and probably took the pot here.

    However, I probably would have won a smaller pot... but I will win more pots in the same situation that way IMHO.

    Dont know... Want to see steve, bboy, beav and marm answers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bboy
    check behind

    there are so few situations where you will value bet AK high and you don't need to worry about any of them at .25/.50 as players will rarely call with ace high.

    don't bluff this pot either. its too big. people are getting 12:1 on a call and will most likely call with any piece.

    this bet you made is probably unnecessary. i doubt you folded any better hands and you would have probably taken down the pot had you just checked behind.
    Well... I cant disagree, only hand taht beats you will call here. But what about flop and turn play?

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    meh, I probably would have bet too on the river. Its entirely possible that one of them was calling down with a low pair, and mucked it once the queen dropped. As long as your river bet wasn't too large, then you'd be able to get out of a check-raise if it happened...though I can't see anyone check raising in that position unless they see that you're trying to steal the pot. Make them pay to see your cards

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    any low pair wil call here... well I would.

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    Unfortunately, I can't say that I had a read on these people, it was the first hand at the table...I jst "Felt" that betting was the right move...That was for you phyto...

    The more I think about it, I should have bet out on the flop (I usually do if I raise PF), but I didn't. UTG left shortly after this hand so I couldn't tell if I had him beat or not. I have over 100 hands with BB and he's been a chaser since the first. I'm guessing he was after an inside str8 that never materialized. I guess if you're going to bluff, better that you don't find out what the other guys had
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    Betting here could have gotten another person with AK to fold.

    Obviously everyone missed, since they all folded....I probably would have checked the river or bet it like you did.

    The Queen looks scary to anyone with an 8 or a low pair, betting like that would have gotten some weak tight players to fold a low pair, since AQ is a very plausiable PF raising hand.
    Last edited by Phytopath; September 28th, 2005 at 08:31 AM.

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